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post #1091 of 1449
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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

You do understand that AMD is asking 0$ for that cooler, right? NV is asking from $50 to $100. So it is a damn good excuse as no-one should buy reference (except if you want to WC)

The cooler is built into the price of the card obviously. So it is not 0 dollars. Also if money was an issue on the matter, AMD could have easily lowered the voltage and the frequency so that it didn't throttle. You also underestimate how often reference cards are used. OEM's prefer reference designs because they dump heat outside the case which is preferable for a company which has to warranty all the components inside a case. The Founders edition is no doubt a greedy marketing move, but AMD reference air cooling designs have been just poor engineering failures.

In engineering or anything, you are given a particular performance desired, a budget to work with and you are given guidelines but as long as you meet those performance targets with that desired budget, everything is good. However, if those desired performance targets are not met, with the desired budget, it is important to communicate this with all parties involved so they can adjust for this.

E.g If you have an elevator with a real capacity to handle 2000lb but the design target was 2500lb and it is too late to make change and the budget is used up, you don't label it a 2500lb elevator, you communicate that it's a 2000lb elevator. Similarly AMD should have either ramped up the fan so that it more or less maintains the clocks desired or lowered the frequency so that stayed within spec and didn't have to throttle. Pushing clocks and not ramping up fan speed or power targets is just sloppy engineering.

Just because it's cheap(relatively) doesn't give it the excuse to run out of spec. Tell that to the victims of failed structural engineering projects.

AMD should have just clocked it at 1160mhz and given the rest of the freedom to board partners.

And at the same time released, partner cards at the time of the release of the rx480.
Edited by tajoh111 - 7/20/16 at 1:33am
post #1092 of 1449
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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

these are pretty telling .. :




some people are just stuck in the past rolleyes.gif
wow, these graphs are eye openers. just proves how many delusional lying fanboys are in this thread. so gtx 1060 is faster in pretty much EVERYTHING, except 1 AMD title, and slower in DOOM Vulcan (which very likely won't be for long when Bethesda/Nvidia enables Async for Vulcan and Pascal).
post #1093 of 1449
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Originally Posted by mohit9206 View Post

GTX1060 is better in every way than RX480.Its faster,its more efficient and its cheaper.Yes GTX1060 is much cheaper than RX480 in my country.$343 for Zotac 1060 vs $402 for RX480 8gb.AMD really ****ed up the prices of RX480 outside of USA.In many countries 1060 is much cheaper than RX480.So its a very easy decision which card is worth buying.AMD with a big fail outside US.AMD wanted to capture a big slice of mainstream GPU market but with things how they currently are,AMD is probably going to lose market share even more.
So much for that Total Addressable Market(TAM) and VR for the masses bull**** lol.Its really a shame for AMD.
yeah but don't you know Murica is what counts ?

you can get an AIB version of 1060 here for less than rx480 reference, available form day one... Rx480 has absolutely nnothing on 1060 atm in here, except ppl on ocn vouching for it quoting 290X vs 780Ti. So far looking at 2016 releases Lisa Su's words about ppl saying AMD is back seem like a joke. 2015 was better since 390 was a greatly competitive card and 960 was weaker than 380X so it's two segments of the market that amd won last year. This year is a disaster for AMD so far.
Edited by Klocek001 - 7/20/16 at 1:34am
post #1094 of 1449
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Originally Posted by mohit9206 View Post

GTX1060 is better in every way than RX480.Its faster,its more efficient and its cheaper.Yes GTX1060 is much cheaper than RX480 in my country.$343 for Zotac 1060 vs $402 for RX480 8gb.AMD really ****ed up the prices of RX480 outside of USA.In many countries 1060 is much cheaper than RX480.So its a very easy decision which card is worth buying.AMD with a big fail outside US.AMD wanted to capture a big slice of mainstream GPU market but with things how they currently are,AMD is probably going to lose market share even more.
So much for that Total Addressable Market(TAM) and VR for the masses bull**** lol.Its really a shame for AMD.
right now locally where I live 1060 are about 40+ EUR more, but this is customs vs ref and only the second day of sales for 1060 .. not to mention 1060 is, in fact, faster

I expect the gap to shrink some more soon and custom 480s will cost as much or a bit more than custom 1060s here
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The cooler is built into the price of the card obviously. So it is not 0 dollars. Also if money was an issue on the matter, AMD could have easily lowered the voltage and the frequency so that it didn't throttle. You also underestimate how often reference cards are used. OEM's prefer reference designs because they dump heat outside the case which is preferable for a company which has to warranty all the components inside a case. The Founders edition is no doubt a greedy marketing move, but AMD reference air cooling designs have been just poor engineering failures.

In engineering or anything, you are given a particular performance desired, a budget to work with and you are given guidelines but as long as you meet those performance targets with that desired budget, everything is good. However, if those desired performance targets are not met, with the desired budget, it is important to communicate this with all parties involved so they can adjust for this.

E.g If you have an elevator with a real capacity to handle 2000lb but the design target was 2500lb and it is too late to make change and the budget is used up, you don't label it a 2500lb elevator, you communicate that it's a 2000lb elevator. Similarly AMD should have either ramped up the fan so that it more or less maintains the clocks desired or lowered the frequency so that stayed within spec and didn't have to throttle. Pushing clocks and not ramping up fan speed or power targets is just sloppy engineering.

Just because it's cheap(relatively) doesn't give it the excuse to run out of spec. Tell that to the victims of failed structural engineering projects.

AMD should have just clocked it at 1160mhz and given the rest of the freedom to board partners.

They should've just undervolted the damn thing, or binned better tbh. Honestly just feels like 7970 GE with ridiculous stock VDDC that's enough to sustain a 15-20% overclock all over again.
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Originally Posted by Klocek001 View Post

yeah but don't you know Murica is what counts ?

you can get an AIB version of 1060 here for less than rx480 reference, available form day one...

Funny how prices in other countries either count or don't count depending on how convenient it is for the narrative (and this goes for both sides).
post #1096 of 1449
Well, there seems to be a promotional code on Newegg to get $25 off on MSI (?). Performance / $$ shoots up with that
post #1097 of 1449
wonder if any AIB can actually run in 100% passive mode, without fans ever spinning.
post #1098 of 1449
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Originally Posted by mohit9206 View Post

GTX1060 is better in every way than RX480.Its faster,its more efficient and its cheaper.Yes GTX1060 is much cheaper than RX480 in my country.$343 for Zotac 1060 vs $402 for RX480 8gb.AMD really ****ed up the prices of RX480 outside of USA.In many countries 1060 is much cheaper than RX480.So its a very easy decision which card is worth buying.AMD with a big fail outside US.AMD wanted to capture a big slice of mainstream GPU market but with things how they currently are,AMD is probably going to lose market share even more.
So much for that Total Addressable Market(TAM) and VR for the masses bull**** lol.Its really a shame for AMD.

If you live in Kasachstan or similar thats not really representative...here in central Europe the RX 480 is around 269 Euros, exactly US price plus VAT. Theres one 1060 model that is 279 Euros but the rest is about 329-339 Euros, which is pretty shocking for a x60, but hey no surprise if the x70 costs 450-500 Euros.
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post #1099 of 1449
Cheaper in the UK for an RX480 compared to the 1060 also
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