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post #1101 of 1449
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Originally Posted by julizs View Post

If you live in Kasachstan or similar thats not really representative...here in central Europe the RX 480 is around 269 Euros, exactly US price plus VAT. Theres one 1060 model that is 279 Euros but the rest is about 329-339 Euros, which is pretty shocking for a x60, but hey no surprise if the x70 costs 450-500 Euros.
how is your country more representative than Kazachstan ? I can only guess prices there might represent the prices in Russia and a whole lot of other countries, where the red color is dominant but not in gpu sales tongue.gif
Edited by Klocek001 - 7/20/16 at 1:57am
post #1102 of 1449
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

They should've just undervolted the damn thing, or binned better tbh. Honestly just feels like 7970 GE with ridiculous stock VDDC that's enough to sustain a 15-20% overclock all over again.
Funny how prices in other countries either count or don't count depending on how convenient it is for the narrative (and this goes for both sides).

Binning takes time and money. You cannot apply undervolting when you have millions of cards to make.

Undervolting while maintaining high clocks, can cause crashes. It's the very reason why the 7970 had such high voltage. Because of the early nature of the 28nm process, there was a tonne of variance in the 7970s. AMD solution was to overvolt it generally so that all cards could run at this particular frequency. If they didn't take into account for this variance and just gave it the bare minimum to maximize efficiency while trying to maintain the clocks, you would have a crazy amounts of cards that failed and would crash during gameplay.

Overvolting cards within a certain degree is safer than undervolting. This is because with a high enough amount of voltage, every single card will reach a certain frequency(particularly before this boost crap). Undervolting given that there is a tonne of variance in millions of GPU cards, particularly with AMD budget, is just a longterm RMA nightmare.

There are two solution available to this problem on a large scale for AMD. Nvidia solution, which has often increased to their performance per watt, is to refine the chip itself to reduce variance, so an optimal amount of voltage can be given to the card.

Because of AMD lower budget for R and D, they had two choices.

Lower the clocks so it doesn't fail spec in the first place.(doesn't cost money)

Or increase the thermal solution to adjust for the higher than anticipated energy and heat production. (does cost money).

If AMD lowered the frequency on their reference cards, while releasing partner cards from day one, everyone would be happier.

Performance might have dropped 4% on reference but people would still be getting a card which at the time had unrivaled price to performance.

Additionally, people that wanted higher performance than rx480, would have access to it in partner cards and less people would be waiting.

Instead what you have is this drama that is the rx480 launch and most of the people reading these reviews left wanting for a partner card, which isn't available yet. It is simply an execution error that AMD has done repeatedly and repeatedly.
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cant see it can you post an image please!
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post #1104 of 1449
Couldn't we handle the AMD damage control in another thread? I'm more interested in the card itself and differences between AIB designs.
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post #1105 of 1449
Haven't seen these posted in here yet (and I actually read through the last 300 responses tongue.gif.


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The MSI Gaming X is a hefty card you can use it as dumb bells biggrin.gif
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post #1107 of 1449
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They should've just undervolted the damn thing, or binned better tbh. Honestly just feels like 7970 GE with ridiculous stock VDDC that's enough to sustain a 15-20% overclock all over again.

I didn't mind it. Put my previous 7970GE at 1200mhz core / 1600mhz mem and didn't have to touch volts at all. Such an easy card to OC that saw solid scaling results.
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post #1109 of 1449
1060 ~6% faster than 480, such performance, much win.

Once again, FE prices make a card worthless in the market.
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post #1110 of 1449
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FE prices
all custom 1060 cards on sale since yesterday

more breaking news at 11 !
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