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The sad part is that they keep pushing the idea of "craftsmanship" when in reality this is really poor quality power delivery hardware. It does the job, but won't allow for much room in overclocking.

If you must buy one of these, it is best to wait for the AIB cards to come out.

I'm not saying that every GPU must have an MSI Lightning-like power delivery, but this is going too far. It's totally dishonest to market something as craftsmanship while delivering a substandard power delivery section.



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Originally Posted by FLCLimax View Post

It makes perfect sense. NVIDIA can count money just fine and they can read public forums like this one. They see their fanbase is a green army defending everything questionable about them and putting the company before their own interests. They see you guys willing to pay any asking price for anything they make...so yea put out a plastic toy cooler on the non-SLI capable joke60 and price it at $300. Team green instantly began justifying it based on that fake graph from videocardz that the site owner likely created himself.

This. We have some rather bizarre Stockholm Syndrome going on here. It reminds me of how people defended Microsoft during the worst of their era. I fear that with an 80% market share, Nvidia is a monopoly and can get away with it.

Unless this hits their bottom line, and gamers demand superior hardware in the form of better quality PCBs, this won't matter at all. They know that they will get loyal buyers. Sadly superior marketing sells. Very few people will question the power delivery on this GPU. It's like the people who stay camping at the Apple store for days before the next i-thing comes out.

AMD is far from an angel and I think their senior management deserves to be heavily criticized for its appallingly poor business decisions (including the layoff of many good former ATI staff), but at least they arm their reference models with decent power delivery. I'll also note that had they kept their GPU staff, maybe GCN would be a lot better than it is now.,



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Can someone competent explain that VRM setup to me, I have a hunch on how it's setup but I want to know from someone with more know-how.

Well these might help you:
http://www.geeks3d.com/20100504/tutorial-graphics-cards-voltage-regulator-modules-vrm-explained/
http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide

But basically it comes down to, does the GPU have the power delivery to deliver the amount of current that the GPU needs.

That is a function of:
  • The number of phases
  • The quality of the phases (bottlenecked by the Mosfet and the inductors)
  • They basically convert the power from the Power supply into the voltages that are safe for the GPU

As you can probably tell from the reaction of the posts here, Nvidia really used poor quality components.

There aren't very many phases and the quality of the phases is not good. This will mean that the GPU has limited room for overclocking. I am reminded of the fate of the notorious GTX 570, which was known for its exploding VRMs. Well perhaps not that crazy, but this GPU has unacceptably poor power delivery at its price point.
Edited by CrazyElf - 7/9/16 at 9:54am
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I think the 2 pin connector is for a LED or something. There is a black 4 pin connector in the right.

That 4 pin connector actually seems to be for the 6 pin PCI for the GPU. Because they actually have put the 6 pin on the cooler, not on the PCB (directly i mean).
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This is a very cheap looking board, along the lines of a 180 dollar product, more like an HD 7770 than an rx 480 or even pitcairns.

In comparison, it looks like the 1060 had it's price set at 250 or less all along while the PCB of the rx 480 is that of a 300+ dollar product.

Being so lightly built, it wouldn't surprise me if this product used 100watts when gaming.

At 250 Nvidia is making some pretty good margins compared to AMD. Cheaper PCB and board, cheaper chip, less memory and since that 50 dollar premium more than covers the shroud, it's like Nvidia knew what AMD was going to price their products at and knew their performance before hand.

Too bad this was not the reverse situation where AMD had the cheaper product to produce.
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That 4 pin connector actually seems to be for the 6 pin PCI for the GPU. Because they actually have put the 6 pin on the cooler, not on the PCB (directly i mean).
Umm, no. First of all, that kind of a connector can't handle the current. Second of all, why would they use a 4 pin connector for a 6 pin connector? And last, you see the 2 big "holes" left and right of the 4 pin connector? The 6 pin wires are soldered on those. If you zoom in, you can see they are labeled + and -.

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"Premium" components for $50 more rolleyes.gif
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Plastic is an understatement...
Made with either... Hydlar Z or Noryl PPO...most exotic plastic names I could find. lol

Lets not forget the PCB is made with "carbon reinforced double strand triple weave slow set moisture resistant epoxy fibre" mix. I even spelled fiber the fancy way...fibre
Oh wow.

But it's not Delrin I like Polyoxymethylene.
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Same place all the $599 1080's and $249 1060's can be found, The Land Of Make Believe!
So true.
The 1070s are pretty much 1080 boards and coolers to save design and manufacturing costs and the AIB versions are thus too expensive and their greed too high to get to the decent price of $379. I think the lowest they managed is like $419 on a horrid looking card I think the GB Windforce 2 fan.
There is a $609 1080, blower I think.

All those AIB MSRPs suggested by Nvidia are just BS and it went as expected everyone jumps to the FE pricing and don't compete. Especially now that they don't even have any chips to make cards to sell lachen.gif

I'm gonna write it down again, price comparison, about equal:
1050 - 960
1060 - 970
1070 - 980
1080 - 980Ti
1080Ti - Titan
Titan - Quadro with Titan chip, a used car
Quadro - a new car
...

IMHO 1060s are gonna be in $3xx range, 1070s in $4xx range, 1080s in $6xx range, 1080Ti $1xxx range.
Meanwhile AMD will undercut it all with RX480 in $2xx range so normal people can buy a decent GPU.
Edited by JackCY - 7/9/16 at 3:44am
post #57 of 108
Whatever who cares if fan is 2 or 4 pins, you can control its speed anyway, by voltage, by pwm, i don't understand why people is focusing on such stupid and tiny particular
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1) That you can actually buy

2) That's still above MSRP

Basically, what Nvidia did is price the GTX 1080 at 699 and allow AIBs to undercut the reference edition's MSRP.
The cooler on the GTX 1080 is no different from the cooler we saw on cards like the 780 Ti. The interesting part is how Nvidia manages to charge more for the GTX 1080, while it's the small die instead of the big one.

Inb4 $1500 GTX Titan X successor (Wait, forgot: $1600 for the founders edition. Somehow they'll come up with an excuse to make an "extra founders" edition of the normal reference rolleyes.gif).
I should say: inb4 massive sales on the $1500 card.

You could wonder: "What do you care what I buy? It's my money". Yes, you're right. Except that all of you fools give Nvidia a clear signal: "Do not price your products competitive - we'll buy them at ripoff prices as well". And in doing so, you screw over anyone who refuses to pay a small fortune for a high-end card.

Get a better job and stop being so cheap. rolleyes.gif

/s

Glad to see I'm not alone. We're not all muricans believing in the American Lie.

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You could wonder: "What do you care what I buy? It's my money". Yes, you're right. Except that all of you fools give Nvidia a clear signal: "Do not price your products competitive - we'll buy them at ripoff prices as well". And in doing so, you screw over anyone who refuses to pay a small fortune for a high-end card.

All those fools buying Gucci bags at ridiculous prices, they are giving Gucci a clear signal "Do not price your products competitive - we'll buy them at ripoff prices as well". rolleyes.gif

We live in a capitalistic socity; things are worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Nvidia is not a charity and will maximize their profits just like every other business. Nvidia's GPUs are priced competitive to the alternatives available, apparently the fastest GPU available has a lot of value in today's market. tongue.gif

Your comparison is off: A Gucci bag is a luxury product that serves purpose as a status symbol. I can go to any store and buy a other bag that will carry my stuff just fine. I don't have a choice in terms of GPUs: there are 2 big manufacturers, Nvidia & AMD. One of them has been tackled by many malicious practices (and participated in some as well). The other one has a leading role and does everything (including providing developers with software to tackle performance on the competition's products) to retain that (near-)monopoly.

I understand that we're living in a capitalistic society. I understand that Nvidia tries to maximise it's profit. I'm not a fool. But just like any other economic model, it doesn't work if it's derailing. That's what's happing now, derailed capitalism, built on malicious business practices, monopolies and anti-competitive deals made behind closed doors while lobbying the government to prevent sanctions. (This is in general, not just the GPU market).

As for competitively priced? I disagree for many reasons:
1) You're comparing it a products that were not competitively priced in the first place. The last competitive generation was probably GeForce 480-500 & HD5000-6000. After that, Nvidia started selling the midrange die as a high-end model, because they could (need more indication? or do you get it?)
2) You're looking at a market segment with barely any competition.
3) Nvidia's CEO smilingly explaining to economics students on how to milk the consumer with monopolies
4) ... (more reasons, but I doubt you'd even bother reading them)

Maybe you should read the following and start questioning that blind belief in what you call capitalism - (which is more like greedism).
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The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

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Glad to see I'm not alone. We're not all muricans believing in the American Lie.
Your comparison is off: A Gucci bag is a luxury product that serves purpose as a status symbol. I can go to any store and buy a other bag that will carry my stuff just fine. I don't have a choice in terms of GPUs: there are 2 big manufacturers, Nvidia & AMD. One of them has been tackled by many malicious practices (and participated in some as well). The other one has a leading role and does everything (including providing developers with software to tackle performance on the competition's products) to retain that (near-)monopoly.

I understand that we're living in a capitalistic society. I understand that Nvidia tries to maximise it's profit. I'm not a fool. But just like any other economic model, it doesn't work if it's derailing. That's what's happing now, derailed capitalism, built on malicious business practices, monopolies and anti-competitive deals made behind closed doors while lobbying the government to prevent sanctions. (This is in general, not just the GPU market).

As for competitively priced? I disagree for many reasons:
1) You're comparing it a products that were not competitively priced in the first place. The last competitive generation was probably GeForce 480-500 & HD5000-6000. After that, Nvidia started selling the midrange die as a high-end model, because they could (need more indication? or do you get it?)
2) You're looking at a market segment with barely any competition.
3) Nvidia's CEO smilingly explaining to economics students on how to milk the consumer with monopolies
4) ... (more reasons, but I doubt you'd even bother reading them)

Maybe you should read the following and start questioning that blind belief in what you call capitalism - (which is more like greedism).

Actually, I suppose this was my point, albit indirect. This is the system we live in, this is how socity works. Nvidia is supposed to do this by everything we teach in business school and the laws we have. There aren't any moral or human concerns built into business at all, taking those into account as a publicly traded company could get you sued by your shareholders, you can take into account public impressions that might affect sales, just not actual morals. There are so many artificially enforced monopolies it is completely ridiculous and complaining about GPU prices is like complaining about the price of diamonds or iPhones. The only option is not to buy, there are a lot of other GPUs that can run your games "fine" too, or change socity to be less derailed. frown.gif

Also Titan's have a status symbol effect as well, maybe not as universally recognized as Gucci but I had to look up Gucci as another example of a ridiculously priced luxury brand... redface.gif
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Lets see if any one makes a fuss about this power connector.
Soldered to the board, All sharing the same phase.
If a certain some one else had done it they would be getting hell for it.
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