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They are going after cheaters.

But going after the actual source of the cheating is justified. And, your "bastardizing" is another man's "clever use of game mechanics."
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Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post

They are going after cheaters.

But going after the actual source of the cheating is justified. And, your "bastardizing" is another man's "clever use of game mechanics."
Or another man's "clever use of C++" if you enjoy enjoy the taste of your own words.

Going after the source of cheating does not mean going after the source of the cheat program. In most of these cases, the source of the cheat program is an unaffiliated, unincorporated individual who is not acting with intent of commerce. Such a person is incapable of equally representing themselves in a court of law on equal terms with a multi-billion dollar corporation. A line needs to be drawn, and it could pretty easily be drawn between hacking for commerce and every other non-commercial reason which a person has a right to keep private (therefor eliminating the question of intent.)

They're going after the regular individual for damages that occur only if a large portion of your own consumer base is cheating. At the same time, Blizzard is extremely lax about cheat detection and even more lax about banning offenders.

In a much larger sense, the inability for the legal system to address such inequalities is a large contibuting factor to the ever-broadening scope of copyright law. Copyright law was never originally intended to work this way, but look how far it's come while people like you and me weren't looking.

Guilt is secondary. Equal representation needs to be facilitated before you can determine guilt, when it comes to these people. The layman's opinion of "hacking is wrong, they deserve it" doesn't properly address all cases (included the looming threats you never hear about). This, again, is another reason I urge people to put more effort into alternative methods of dealing with hackers that do not involve legal threat. Leave your biases at the door, and think more broadly about the consequences of this kind of passive approval.
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That's the problem I have with them winning these cases over copyright infringement and nothing else. Like I said, in 2011 when they did this to the SC2 hacking group, they went pure copyright law allegations. There was no money involved. No ads on the website, no spyware, no charge for the programs.

What they did, is they used copyright law on the argument that the mere act of copying and editing Blizzard code stored in RAM, was illegal and punishable up to $250,000.

That's not only a ridiculous punishment for regular individuals (one was in university and suddenly had a criminal record, one lost his wife over the financial ruin) it's an affront to everyone who edits any code in RAM. It's a bastardization of copyright law, itself. This was never how it was intended to be used.

There needs to be a crime here that suits the actual act, if we're even to determine that this is feasible to police. Personally, I think it should be the sole responsibility of the developer, because the policing of this sort of thing requires privacy breaches, and actually threatens individuals more because government is extremely heavy handed these days because they can't suffer the time or expense of punishments that fit the crime. The solution is to say "enough is enough" and stop sacrificing the integrity of our civil liberties and just force the market to advance at a speed wherein it can protect it's own business model. I doubt it would be such a heavy impact upon Blizzard to start writing code that isn't easily exploitable again, and patch exploits quickly (SC:BW would often be patched days after a new exploit release.)

Their budget would go up by a small amount, probably hiring a few of these exploit experts in the process. They did that also in the SC:BW days from the same hacking community that they sued over SC2. Many of them are probably still Blizzard employees, unless they were all replaced by lawyers for this new approach.

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, all around. They're just piggy backing the vague insane Hollywood laws that were passed under heavy lobbying, because it's the easiest to manipulate and there are more copyright experts in law these days. That isn't good for anyone. Plus, it's just annoying to see this happen over and over and over again at our expense. It gets a lot easier to explain why things are the way they are when you look at the slippery slope in these types of laws that's been going on for the last century.

 

 

My friend, I do not find that $250k a ridiculous punishment for an individual using his skills to hacks games, for profit.

 

They should also serve jail time.

 

 

 

Secondly, "copyright infringement" will not be the only avenue they will take. Just one...   These companies want to bring down the whole network, so expect more racketeering, or laundering, or tax evasion type of counts. This is just the start, the whole industry is backing Blizzard on this. Including the fans.

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My friend, I do not find that $250k a ridiculous punishment for an individual using his skills to hacks games, for profit.

They should also serve jail time.



Secondly, "copyright infringement" will not be the only avenue they will take. Just one...   These companies want to bring down the whole network, so expect more racketeering, or laundering, or tax evasion type of counts. This is just the start, the whole industry is backing Blizzard on this. Including the fans.
When you're doing it for profit, you're gaining profit to defend yourself. That gets you into the realm of business, which is supposed to be regulatory rather than criminal law.

Criminal cases against people as if people are equal to corporate entities, is wrong. Criminal cases against people in commerce is only supposed to result in charges if you can prove intent to have commercial enterprise. When people are not doing this for a profit there are no grounds for copyright infringement, and no grounds for $250,000 charges against a mere individual.

The public is behind Blizzard because they don't understand how this divergence effects them. A person in commerce is different. I don't know when people stopped caring about these things.
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Yeah stop suing the companies just sue the CEOs right? After that the CTO, CIO, and while at it everyone that works at the company down to the floor cleaner being an accomplice to a crime.
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

Or another man's "clever use of C++" if you enjoy enjoy the taste of your own words.

Wow. You saw what I did there. It's not "enjoy the taste of your own words" if you're simply repeating my point. The point of that phrase, "enjoy the taste of your own" means I said something that I might not like if it applied to me. In this case, you picked up on my usage of a phrase that has a history with Blizzard in relation to exploits.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Perhaps you should consider that the point of threads and discussion is not to score points, but rather to enhance all parties' understanding of the issues involved. Leave this pettiness out of it.
Edited by Mand12 - 7/13/16 at 6:38am
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When you're doing it for profit, you're gaining profit to defend yourself. That gets you into the realm of business, which is supposed to be regulatory rather than criminal law.

Criminal cases against people as if people are equal to corporate entities, is wrong. Criminal cases against people in commerce is only supposed to result in charges if you can prove intent to have commercial enterprise. When people are not doing this for a profit there are no grounds for copyright infringement, and no grounds for $250,000 charges against a mere individual.

The public is behind Blizzard because they don't understand how this divergence effects them. A person in commerce is different. I don't know when people stopped caring about these things.

3rd part cheating should be treated in the same vein as malware is. You don't see anyone defending Viruses that compromise your identity.
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3rd part cheating should be treated in the same vein as malware is. You don't see anyone defending Viruses that compromise your identity.
Identity theft and cheating are not nearly the same thing. Why is everyone an extremist these days? I don't get it.
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Blizzard is wasting their time ... this will only make matters worse on the cheat creation scene ... but I agree ... multiplayer cheats are for the suck but I love them for single player games that I have absolutely no time to play as they allow me to do minor adjustments that vastly compress play time and the ability to actually experience the story.
    
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Identity theft and cheating are not nearly the same thing. Why is everyone an extremist these days? I don't get it.

So, because they're not nearly the same thing, you support cheaters and their righteous fight against the tyranny of evil corporations.

Why do you support cheaters?
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