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post #51 of 129
If I'm not mistaken, Bossland has been making Blizzard-game bots and hacks for many years now, and nothing in terms of legal action against them ever did anything.
Very, very unfortunate and I sure as hell hope I'm not pit against one of those *******s who are so bad at the game that they feel the need to give themselves an unfair advantage.
post #52 of 129
Well suing a foreign company in US court, is that a tradition? Are the US courts so bad that they even accept it instead of outright dismissing it since it is out of their jurisdiction?
As far as EULA etc. goes it cannot override laws of countries so even if they forbid something in EULA but the law allows it, it is allowed and such stuff shouldn't be in the EULA to begin with and is useless, probably not unlawful but has no effect.
You can reverse engineer the hell you want that you have bought as long as you are outside of the USA where all freedoms are long lost.
post #53 of 129
Good. I wish more companies had the funds to do this sort of thing. But I don't think anything will come from it being that they are in Germany.

What I would do if I was CEO of Blizzard is hire a small "security team" who's job it is to go find the writers of these programs and just ambush them with a hard beat down. They don't have to announce to the world that they're doing this. At the end of the beat down just have them tell the guy "this is for program X, stop and we stop". Never acknowledge that their from the company, no evidence left behind just that one sentence. Easy. Over time with no one to update the program they will become junk.
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I see, typical American violence...
You guys really need to learn where your borders and jurisdiction ends. You don't have to agree with what the company creates nor disagree but promoting violence against individuals for creating a software is outright wrong.
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Its about sending a message. Unfortunately it's a fairly weak message. If anything, this just shows how powerless developers are against third-party providers.
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They absolutely do have a legal department, which gets a yearly budget to do what it does. Since I am fairly certain those people do not know how to code, what use is telling blizzard to have them "make it harder to cheat" instead?

... Or do you guys actually think a billion dollar corporation is run like a mom-and-pop shop where the boss controls all the companies money and micromanages everything?

Coders do what coders do, and lawyers do lawyers things. arrowheadsmiley.png

I never mentioned lawyers nor did I say anything about them, its you who brought up this nonsense. Obviously I am aware of the fact that Blizzard has a legal department, just like every other big company.

You were never involved at all. You chose to join something you were not a part of and didn't read any context about it before making your comment. You'd also know that I did not bring up their legal department;
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Instead of wasting time and money suing people, Blizzard should invest the resources into developing games with better anti-cheating systems which aren't easy to exploit. There is no way that this law suit is going to be beneficiary for Blizzard.

Interesting, I didn't know their legal department knew how to code.
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Blizzard should spend their resources not on lawsuits against individuals located in Germany while operating in California, but on developing more secure games which are less prone to cheating, hacks and exploits. Obviously this is something that is going to be done by programmers and not by the lawyers which you seem to really like mentioning out of nowhere.

Every department's budget was decided at the beginning of the fiscal year. The lawyers can spend their budget as they see fit, and it does not infringe on the coder's budget at all.

As for "out of no where", no, you just can't read.
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This lawsuit against the developer of the hacks from Germany is going to be an utter waste of money and time and the outcome is going to be less than favorable in case of Blizzard. These resources can be invested much more wisely with greater efficiency.

Probably, but the money will not come out of the coder's budget. It will not impact what resources are available. Seriously, do you have any idea how any corporations work? Money does not flow at all like you imply. Legal covers all legal duties, it's budget isn't related to Overwatch at all. Even if they did reduce the legal budget next fiscal year, the Overwatch devs would not likely see any of it.

But then, if you want to talk about fiscal efficiency, they can ban hackers instead of block them outright, and then let them buy more copies. That will net them plenty of money.
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Its about sending a message. Unfortunately it's a fairly weak message. If anything, this just shows how powerless developers are against third-party providers.

And in this instance, rightfully so.
What if North Korea charged you with some arbitrary crime in their country that isn't a crime in any other country. Should they petition your government for making fun of their dynasty so you can do 20+ years of hard labour?

Making hacks isn't illegal, it's a civil matter IF there's provable damages...which I doubt there are. This isn't The Division where there was a negative effet of hacking on the longgevity of the game, Blizzard have actively and heavy handedly gone after cheaters in Overwatch since day 1.
post #58 of 129
It'd be pretty easy for Valve to bring down Overwatch..


In terms of corporate espionage.. all valve would have to do, is to pay programmers to Break Blizzard's game via hacks and cheats.. Like what happened to the Division.
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This lawsuit against the developer of the hacks from Germany is going to be an utter waste of money and time and the outcome is going to be less than favorable in case of Blizzard. These resources can be invested much more wisely with greater efficiency.
Not really. It will set a precedent. Blizzard will sue your ass if they want to.
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Making hacks isn't illegal, it's a civil matter IF there's provable damages...which I doubt there are. This isn't The Division where there was a negative effet of hacking on the longgevity of the game, Blizzard have actively and heavy handedly gone after cheaters in Overwatch since day 1.

That actually depends on what country the creator is located in and what other countries they might have legal Reciprocation with.

In the Glider lawsuit which I think was entirely based in the US... The creation of the "cheat" was in fact a violation of copyright law.

From what I read in the court verdict for when Blizzard tried to sue in Germany over the Bot program... The German courts ruled that only using the program was illegal.. not making it.

In the Glider case it was originally decided that using 3rd party programs like Glider was a violation of copyright law.. but I believe that was kicked back to a lower court and no one pursued it.

The "using being illegal" part I added in simply because... at some point one would expect that angle to be pursued.. even if its just Government looking for extra taxes aka fines.
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