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How long is the sue in place? Meaning, how long time the guy has to resist the urge to travel in US? 10 years?
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I appreciate your view, but still disagree with it. If you are just going to sue people for promoting it, you aren't rectifying the issue from anyone's perspective. You think you can sue people for posting news that something like this exists? If someone talks about the hack somewhere on a forum like this, that information spreads out to a bunch of people, some of whom will start using it themselves and it just perpetuates. You're then going to sue OCN for having had someone post on here about the hack? Or try to chase down the server that is hosting it?

Also let's be clear, this isn't suing a "mere individual". It's a company they're suing. One that has hired freelancers to help them crack games and develop exploits. One that Blizzard has apparently been butting heads with since at least 2011-2012. As for the real threat, from the perspective of Blizzard, it is a threat to their player base, which is a threat to their bottom line, which is what a company normally goes to court over.

Earlier in this thread...

I had brought up the fact that when the Court in Germany ruled during the WoW related case... they mentioned that in Germany only using the program was illegal not making it. When the Glider lawsuit happened the Federal system initially ruled that both creation and use were violations of copyright law. The ruling on "use" was kicked back to lower courts and as far as I know mostly vanished. I had mentioned this earlier so maybe that brought on some responses of "mere individuals".

Personally I don't ever remember any individual ever being sued for copyright infringement due to running 3rd party programs in a game. As opposed to say the record industry suing "mere individuals" for music sharing. The early lawsuits I DO remember were people being sued for reverse engineering game code to create an unapproved program and then selling it.... Which is the thing since in Jurisdictions where that violates law.. you are profiting from a crime.

What I was talking about in regard to how courts are looking at it... Is that eventually government will likely get involved. Not because game companies ask them to... but because they can fine people for the violations as that is a method of revenue. I was never talking about Blizzard suing an individual when I posted earlier. When it comes to "law" which some people seem to forget that copyright law is... The enforcement of it doesn't need to sit around and wait for a company like Blizzard to sue anyone.

*edited* The reason I replied is.. I was thinking some of what the person you were quoting might have been posted more in response to what I had said earlier.. or it might not have (lol)
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You were never involved at all. You chose to join something you were not a part of and didn't read any context about it before making your comment. You'd also know that I did not bring up their legal department;

Every department's budget was decided at the beginning of the fiscal year. The lawyers can spend their budget as they see fit, and it does not infringe on the coder's budget at all.

As for "out of no where", no, you just can't read.
Probably, but the money will not come out of the coder's budget. It will not impact what resources are available. Seriously, do you have any idea how any corporations work? Money does not flow at all like you imply. Legal covers all legal duties, it's budget isn't related to Overwatch at all. Even if they did reduce the legal budget next fiscal year, the Overwatch devs would not likely see any of it.

But then, if you want to talk about fiscal efficiency, they can ban hackers instead of block them outright, and then let them buy more copies. That will net them plenty of money.


In that case you could say that Blizzard sues people left and right and even from Germany only because the legal department has a given budget which it has to consume, lol. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. My initial suggestion was to dedicate resources into developing more secure software, instead of filing suits against a company located in Germany which operates on laws established and regulated by an entirely different jurisdiction. The budgets should be re-assigned more appropriately, namely decreasing the allocated budget for the legal department and increase the budget for the development team. However focus on the security and vulnerability aspects of the game, so hire additional human capital which specializes in that area of expertise. If I were Blizzard I would simply hire those guys from Germany and make them develop anti-measures for their own hacks as they are the ones most familiar with them. Put more focus unto developing products and spend less resources worrying and wasting time with legal processes which lead nowhere.

You really like putting things out of context for no apparent reasons and coming up with completely irrelevant remarks.

It was mentioned that there are no unhackable games which is true but Blizzard games are far from flawless in that regard, they have many security issues and their cheat preventing measures are simply lacking.

Anyways, I am done discussing this topic and wasting my time unnecessarily.
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I wonder why their EU section hadn't try to file a lawsuit in germany.
Are the laws in germany pretty much allow such a program, or there are not similar laws against it?
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I wonder why their EU section hadn't try to file a lawsuit in germany.
Are the laws in germany pretty much allow such a program, or there are not similar laws against it?

The laws pretty much everywhere in the world allow the sale of software, even if it's a hacking program. Using the program might be reprehensible, but selling it if you're the original creator is 100% legal.
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Great news...!

Denial of service... as the cheaters deny/deprive other paying Players of their gameplay.

 

 

 

He should be charged with everything in the book.

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In that case you could say that Blizzard sues people left and right and even from Germany only because the legal department has a given budget which it has to consume, lol. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. My initial suggestion was to dedicate resources into developing more secure software, instead of filing suits against a company located in Germany which operates on laws established and regulated by an entirely different jurisdiction. The budgets should be re-assigned more appropriately, namely decreasing the allocated budget for the legal department and increase the budget for the development team. However focus on the security and vulnerability aspects of the game, so hire additional human capital which specializes in that area of expertise. If I were Blizzard I would simply hire those guys from Germany and make them develop anti-measures for their own hacks as they are the ones most familiar with them. Put more focus unto developing products and spend less resources worrying and wasting time with legal processes which lead nowhere.

You really like putting things out of context for no apparent reasons and coming up with completely irrelevant remarks.

It was mentioned that there are no unhackable games which is true but Blizzard games are far from flawless in that regard, they have many security issues and their cheat preventing measures are simply lacking.

Anyways, I am done discussing this topic and wasting my time unnecessarily.

 

I am laughing here...

 

Why does it matter what Country they are from..? They are writing code and selling it, with one target and goal... which cost that company millions.

 

 

So, they Companies are going to grab that German twerp outfit by it's neck and put them all in jail for a couple of years..  let them think about better ways to make money, than thieve from other Gamers. We are all sick of the hacks & cheats and it's the new customer service of the future.

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In that case you could say that Blizzard sues people left and right and even from Germany only because the legal department has a given budget which it has to consume, lol. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. My initial suggestion was to dedicate resources into developing more secure software, instead of filing suits against a company located in Germany which operates on laws established and regulated by an entirely different jurisdiction. The budgets should be re-assigned more appropriately, namely decreasing the allocated budget for the legal department and increase the budget for the development team. However focus on the security and vulnerability aspects of the game, so hire additional human capital which specializes in that area of expertise. If I were Blizzard I would simply hire those guys from Germany and make them develop anti-measures for their own hacks as they are the ones most familiar with them. Put more focus unto developing products and spend less resources worrying and wasting time with legal processes which lead nowhere.

You really like putting things out of context for no apparent reasons and coming up with completely irrelevant remarks.

It was mentioned that there are no unhackable games which is true but Blizzard games are far from flawless in that regard, they have many security issues and their cheat preventing measures are simply lacking.

Anyways, I am done discussing this topic and wasting my time unnecessarily.

 

I am laughing here...

 

Why does it matter what Country they are from..? They are writing code and selling it, with one target and goal... which cost that company millions.

 

 

So, they Companies are going to grab that German twerp outfit by it's neck and put them all in jail for a couple of years..  let them think about better ways to make money, than thieve from other Gamers. We are all sick of the hacks & cheats and it's the new customer service of the future.

Next: use drones to take people who make game hacks because hacks ruin the game for everyone. Imperialism knows no bound.

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I am laughing here...

Why does it matter what Country they are from..? They are writing code and selling it, with one target and goal... which cost that company millions.


So, they Companies are going to grab that German twerp outfit by it's neck and put them all in jail for a couple of years..  let them think about better ways to make money, than thieve from other Gamers. We are all sick of the hacks & cheats and it's the new customer service of the future.
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In that case you could say that Blizzard sues people left and right and even from Germany only because the legal department has a given budget which it has to consume, lol. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. My initial suggestion was to dedicate resources into developing more secure software, instead of filing suits against a company located in Germany which operates on laws established and regulated by an entirely different jurisdiction. The budgets should be re-assigned more appropriately, namely decreasing the allocated budget for the legal department and increase the budget for the development team. However focus on the security and vulnerability aspects of the game, so hire additional human capital which specializes in that area of expertise. If I were Blizzard I would simply hire those guys from Germany and make them develop anti-measures for their own hacks as they are the ones most familiar with them. Put more focus unto developing products and spend less resources worrying and wasting time with legal processes which lead nowhere.

You really like putting things out of context for no apparent reasons and coming up with completely irrelevant remarks.

It was mentioned that there are no unhackable games which is true but Blizzard games are far from flawless in that regard, they have many security issues and their cheat preventing measures are simply lacking.

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Next: use drones to take people who make game hacks because hacks ruin the game for everyone. Imperialism knows no bound.

That would make about as much sense.. as thinking its ok that some 3rd party can profit from driving customers away from a business and cost them profit and defraud the share holders at the same time.. due to lost profits/dividends. It's ok because its only "cheating" in a game.... that mentality gets really old after a while. Oh and I'm not saying the person I quoted said that... but its a theme in this thread.
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