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Facts about me:
I'm not new to technology...
I have about 38 years worth of technical/common sense...
I'm no electronics engineer...don't want to become one...but know enough to be dangerous...
I hate math with a passion...
I know enough about electricity to know what not to do, and most importantly to keep liquids far away from it...or at least my rig...
Don't care much for gaming...mostly old PC games...(doom,mechwarrior,wing commander, etc..)
Never got into gaming really...
I do not over clock at all...never have...don't plan to...

About my rig:
Motherboard : Asus 990fx r2.0
CPU : AMD FX 8350
RAM : 4X8GB Kingston HyperX KHX1866C10D3/8G (32GB Total RAM)
VIDEO : NVIDIA GeForce GT 640
OS : WIN10 Pro x64
SSD1 Samsung evo 850 240GB (for os)
SSD2 Crucial M500 240GB (for vm's and misc)
RAID : Adaptec 5405 pci-e (3TB raid1 for misc sata storage)

that being said..

After slipping a few financial moves by the Mrs. (all of which she knows about know) I was able to build myself a nice little rig (nothing special).

I do a lot of work with VMware/Hyper-v/etc.. which tends to kick the overall cpu temp up to 70+(c) which in turn kicks on the stock amd cooling fan/heat sink to 5K RPMs. So I started thinking if ?I should consider a water cooled rig...But im worried about the obvious...leaking etc...also have a few noob questions...

1.) does the water in the loop/cycle need to be refilled? does it evaporate/dissipate?
2.) how do I know/feel comfortable with knowing it wont leak? aka...peace of mind
3.) do I really need a liquid cooled rig in the first place?
4.) how do I know what a safe temp really is for the cpu/mobo before I should really worry?

Thanks in advance for any feedback one can provide, In the end im trying to convince myself to make the move to a water cooled rig but dont want to fry my rig which I worked so hard to build. smile.gif

~SOL
post #2 of 14
1. Yes it will evaporate so you'll have to do some maintenance on it and keep the water levels up. I usually top my up when I see it hit a certain level. Quick top up every month or so. Keep a 4L jug of distilled close by. Uncap, funnel, pour, cap, done.

2. This is a tough one to answer. Only person who knows you is either you or your wife. How comfortable are you with know this is a slight possibility of leaks? Do you have a backup plan if there is one? Buy quality components and quadruple check everything before you turn on the pump to run the water through the loop. Or you could just buy an AIO.

3. Again, that's up to you. I liquid cool because I like my rig to be quiet. There is no AIO out there that can give me the quietness or heatsink fan that can give me the coolness I need. Full load is 45c CPU and 51c GPU on 1100rpm fans.

4. Check your mobo and cpu manual for max acceptable temps.

Honestly, if you even have 1 bit of doubt going water cooling, don't do it. Get a corsair AIO with warranty so if it leaks, your covered. OR you can get off that crappy AMD crap box stock fan and get an aftermarket unit.
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post #3 of 14
Closed loop systems doesn't need maintenance.

I just bought my very first water cooler, had it in the rig a couple of days, a cooler master nepton 240m. Only issue i've had so far was to attatch it, but after some swear words and fiddling about i managed to get it in place. Lowered my overclocked cpu temperature about 20 degrees celcius at idle.

I think leakage from closed loop systems is very rare. The majority of reports are about noise from the pump, air in the system etc.
Edited by Espen83 - 7/9/16 at 6:30am
post #4 of 14
Honestly for your usage I'd just skip over watercooling completely and pick up a good air cooler like a Noctua NH-D14/NH-D15 or Cryorig R1 Universal if they fit in your case. Both coolers perform the same as the closed loop coolers but are significantly quieter, plus you won't have to worry about it failing since the only moving parts are the fans.
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post #5 of 14
Custom Water cooling is not worth it unless you enjoy the process of assembling and maintaining a loop imo.
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Custom water cooling is no different than any other items that need to be maintained. A house, car, boat, relationships, and even software needs maintenance and dedication. Just like everything else, you get out of what you put into it. If you research, plan, and execute a water cooling setup properly, it can be just as rewarding like everything else.

Even an AIO or a heatsink fan need maintenance. Got to clean the fans and fins every so often.
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post #7 of 14
Welcome to Overclock. I empathized with you on your concerns of water cooling your system a couple of months ago. But I alleviated my concerns with a premade water cooling system: Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler.

I choose h20 cooling over air cooling because I overclocked my system. if you plan to overclock your rig, water cool your system.

Hope that helps...
post #8 of 14
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I think I may just read up on a decent quite fan etc.. like the one DR4G00N suggested. I always have about 3 offline copies/backups of all my crucial data as a just in case measure. spending another $100+ just to water cool my rig while risking damage to the rig just inst worth the risk IMHO. I would rather spend the $100'ish on a nice quiet fan heat sink like one of the 2 that DR4G00N suggested or similar that I can take with me when I replace the cpu, mobo, case etc..

Thanks again for the feedback.

~SOL
post #9 of 14
if you want a quiet air fan, try this:
Noctua NH-D15 6 heatpipe with Dual NF-A15 140mm fans
or
the be quiet series:
Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 Silentwings CPU Cooler
post #10 of 14
Theres no point for you to water cool, as you don't overclock. You don't want the good looks of water cooling right?

Getting a air cooler is the choice for you, something that has simullar perofmrnace to a evo212 should be good enough, your running stock and getting hot is very normal
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