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Wow... did my question initiate a brawl??... I'm so sorry!... I didn't respond before because I've been away.

I took notice of the different answers and checked some of the suggestions, such as the mentioned Phanteks F120MP, which I found to be promising. I just happened to come across a last unit of a Noctua NF-F12 in a shop that was closing down and I bought it at discounted price. I've used Noctua in the past and I've had good results with them. While some of you I see are more 'demanding' and will look down the slightest variations on performance etc, I must say I'm not so. I don't care much about the looks or the leds, and to me, two less dBs or a few less watts or a few more CFMs don't really cut it. I'm more worried about the truth in the manufacturer's claims than the specs on the packaging thus this is why I ask in forums, to learn about others' experiences in "real" cases. Unfortunately these days one has to strike a balance between what the manufacturers say, what users say... and the price/budget (and availability... since unfortunately not all brands are locally available). Anyway, all's well that ends well. Thanks a lot for your responses wink.gif)
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Hey FYI the reviews are out on the new Corsair ML fans and they rock! Probably the new king of the fan hill.
 
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Wow... did my question initiate a brawl??... I'm so sorry!... I didn't respond before because I've been away.

I took notice of the different answers and checked some of the suggestions, such as the mentioned Phanteks F120MP, which I found to be promising. I just happened to come across a last unit of a Noctua NF-F12 in a shop that was closing down and I bought it at discounted price. I've used Noctua in the past and I've had good results with them. While some of you I see are more 'demanding' and will look down the slightest variations on performance etc, I must say I'm not so. I don't care much about the looks or the leds, and to me, two less dBs or a few less watts or a few more CFMs don't really cut it. I'm more worried about the truth in the manufacturer's claims than the specs on the packaging thus this is why I ask in forums, to learn about others' experiences in "real" cases. Unfortunately these days one has to strike a balance between what the manufacturers say, what users say... and the price/budget (and availability... since unfortunately not all brands are locally available). Anyway, all's well that ends well. Thanks a lot for your responses wink.gif)
Out of curiosity, what did you end up paying for the NF-F12? I have a few in my case at the moment. I don't care for the noise over 1000RPM, but they're well built fans & should do the job well. Hang on to those fan splitters & low noise adapters even if you don't use them immediately. They can come in quite handy in a new build.
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Hey FYI the reviews are out on the new Corsair ML fans and they rock! Probably the new king of the fan hill.
Do you have any links to some decent in-depth reviews? I tried to look earlier & really only found people repeating the marketing without much in the way of independent testing. They're overpriced as is, but I really would like to know how they compare to the other fans out there. If they are discounted later, they could be worth it for the right build.
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Hey FYI the reviews are out on the new Corsair ML fans and they rock! Probably the new king of the fan hill.

Yeah, just checked the Thermalbench review. Actual Sunon made fans, I expected them to be an imitation. Very strong performers and the noise is definitely in line. The only place they are lacking is below 2000rpm, where the Vardars and GTs are much stronger - unfortunately, that is where people who are hearing capable use their fans. Either way, it's a huge improvement from Corsair, but the pricing is really a bit high. You are looking at $5-7/fan more than Vardar, GT or eLoops, and they simply don't justify it. Match the $18-20 that the others command, it they fall in line.

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Do you have any links to some decent in-depth reviews? I tried to look earlier & really only found people repeating the marketing without much in the way of independent testing. They're overpriced as is, but I really would like to know how they compare to the other fans out there. If they are discounted later, they could be worth it for the right build.

http://thermalbench.com/2016/07/12/corsair-ml120-pro-120-mm-fan/
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Originally Posted by Radnad View Post

Hey FYI the reviews are out on the new Corsair ML fans and they rock! Probably the new king of the fan hill.

Yeah, just checked the Thermalbench review. Actual Sunon made fans, I expected them to be an imitation. Very strong performers and the noise is definitely in line. The only place they are lacking is below 2000rpm, where the Vardars and GTs are much stronger - unfortunately, that is where people who are hearing capable use their fans. Either way, it's a huge improvement from Corsair, but the pricing is really a bit high. You are looking at $5-7/fan more than Vardar, GT or eLoops, and they simply don't justify it. Match the $18-20 that the others command, it they fall in line.


yes they are a little on the pricey side, but they do have changeable colored rubber mounts and they are mag lev which means about the quietest fan hub there is. They also make a generic version of them that will save a few bucks and puts them at $18 for a 120 and $20 for a 140.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/cooling/ml-series-fans
 
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The new Corsair ML fans can do both static pressure and high air flow:

Static pressure rating is pressure fan makes when resistance is so grat fan stops following air.
Airflow rating is taken on a fan with absolutely no resistance at all to it's airflow.

I don't use my fans in systems with no resistance so airflow rating is rather moot .. and I never plan to use a fan with it's exhaust completely blocked because it is a totally idiotic thing to do.

That said, I have used computer fans as to move air around my desk in hot weather. tongue.gif
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I don't know if I did everything correctly, but when I scale Thermalbench PH-F120MP sound to flow graph to same scale as ML120 Pro and combine them, the PH-F120MP seems to be significantly better noise to airspeed ratio. Hopefully @geggeg can explain this better.
Use PH-F140MP instead of PH-F120MP graph blushsmiley.gif
Guess that's what happens when I can't sleep and then can't seem to see or find the tree in the forest. blushsmiley.gif
Edited by doyll - 7/18/16 at 6:53am
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I don't know if I did everything correctly, but when I scale Thermalbench PH-F120MP sound to flow graph to same scale as ML120 Pro and combine them, the PH-F120MP seems to be significantly better noise to airspeed ratio. Hopefully @geggeg can explain this better.

You accidentally used the F140MP stats there. The F120MP is below, and follows suit to ~1500 rpm. But, it certainly appears the F120MP moves more air through the rad with less noise through it's bandwidth. The 120ML is simply higher rpm. And every time I see something like this, I remember why the F120MP are on my rad after trying a dozen other top name fans.

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I don't know if I did everything correctly, but when I scale Thermalbench PH-F120MP sound to flow graph to same scale as ML120 Pro and combine them, the PH-F120MP seems to be significantly better noise to airspeed ratio. Hopefully @geggeg can explain this better.
Is that the PH-F120MP or PH-F140MP info you're using? It says both in different parts of the chart. Either way, the info is useful, but of course in this case we're specifically discussing the 120mm fans.
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