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post #31 of 56
Actually, CLCs, even just a base 120mm, do an excellent job of cooling the GPU itself. They just look totally ghetto rigged (that includes the NZXT and Corsair adapters) and require another solution for the VRM (that typically looks totally ghetto rigged, also). If I were building in a case with no window and required extreme GPU cooling, and for some unknown reason an MCP-140 (or other small pump and rad) and full cover block (or even Alphacool universal) was unavailable, I would see no issue in using one.

I have no idea what this has to do with the OP, though......
post #32 of 56
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I have no idea what this has to do with the OP, though......

True. I apologize; I just wanted to "clear up" a "point" about CLCs. The OP is probably done with this thread, heh. frown.gif This, if meriting further interest, deserves its own thread and likely not in the "Air Cooling Forums".
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post #33 of 56
@ikjadoon
I think you should just go back to your normal hangouts instead of trying to troll me using the pretext of discussing CLCs. You have not 'discussed' anything here yet All you are doing it trying to cause trouble with taunts and innuendos. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
It's not working. GPUs are perfectly fine at 60c. If you want yours to run cooler that's fine by me, but ragging on me about being happy with 60c is not reasonable. Seem to be simply trolling.

I know many water coolers and none have anything good to say about CLCs.
post #34 of 56
I'm a little surprised there's no mention of the Morpheus or MK-26 - when you compare those solutions to CLCs they perform about the same but with significantly less noise.

I haven't seen any triple-slotters on 9/10 series cards, but if the gains are similar to those seen on cards like the 290/x then it's pretty apples to apples (in terms of performance).
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I'm a little surprised there's no mention of the Morpheus or MK-26 - when you compare those solutions to CLCs they perform about the same but with significantly less noise.

I haven't seen any triple-slotters on 9/10 series cards, but if the gains are similar to those seen on cards like the 290/x then it's pretty apples to apples (in terms of performance).

I think Palit is releasing a 3 slot 1080 iirc.
 
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Found a Xtreme IV, runs around 50*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s
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Found a Xtreme IV, runs around 50*: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSeHCPd75s

You could grill a hot dog on those top sinks while fraggin away! lol
 
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post #38 of 56
Not much worse than a radiator wink.gif

Here are some old links I posted at some point or another. Don't get me wrong - I understand there are trade-offs and situations in which a CLC may even be desirable (space constrictions, low budget/high humidity, for example), but the difference isn't as bad as it's been made out to be.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_radeon_290x_295x2_devil13_review,11.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Raijintek/Morpheus/4.html - check out those 7v results
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/76829-raijintek-morpheus/?page=3 - hmmm managed not to break the noise floor, hexus is not a great source though
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/prolimatech-mk-26-vga-cooler-review/7/ - hardwaresecrets is pretty good, though
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1301-page5.html - these guys are okay, i guess wink.gif
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/henry-butt/raijintek-morpheus-gpu-cooler-review/7/ - this one is admittedly not very good
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/kuehlung/24600-test-prolimatech-mk-26.html?start=1 - but this one is
http://www.xtremehardware.com/cooling/air/prolimatech-mk-26-il-gentile-leviatano-201304308557/?start=8 - and this one
http://www.cowcotland.com/articles/1372-3/prolimatech-mk-26.html - so on
http://www.eteknix.com/prolimatech-mk-26-multi-vga-cooler-review/6/
http://pcfoster.pl/artykul/prolimatech-black-series-mk-26---blacksilent-pro-120-edition-–-test/1145-4.html
http://www.xtremehardware.com/cooling/air/raijintek-morpheus-a-colpo-sicuro-201404289769/?start=6
http://www.thelab.gr/topic/126128-prolimatech-mk-26-black-series-vga-cooler-review/

Some other post:
Indeed, but my point was that high-end air competes with most aftermarket solutions with blower fans in terms of VRM cooling, particularly if there are no heatsinks over the VRM:
Morpheus 290x VRM:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.tomshardware.de/raijintek-morpheus-vga-cooler-hawaii-review,testberichte-241525-2.html&prev=search
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?289345-Raijintek-Morpheus

Many on 290:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/77237-corsair-hydro-series-hg10/?page=4

HG10:
290 - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2014/11/18/corsair-hydro-series-hg10-review/2 - delta - 38

Accelero w/ heatsinks:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardware/2D-3D/unique-cooling-watercooling-sujet_961851_1.htm&prev=search - 60/55

kraken, no heatsinks for VRM:
http://www.legitreviews.com/nzxt-kraken-g10-gpu-water-cooler-review-on-an-amd-radeon-r9-290x_130344/4 - 64/52
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Using-NZXT-Kraken-G10-Watercool-Radeon-R9-290/Performance-Results - 98/78
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I'm a little surprised there's no mention of the Morpheus or MK-26 - when you compare those solutions to CLCs they perform about the same but with significantly less noise.

I haven't seen any triple-slotters on 9/10 series cards, but if the gains are similar to those seen on cards like the 290/x then it's pretty apples to apples (in terms of performance).

No, I already researched both of those--they're OK. The Morpheus is $59 with no fans. Here, they tested it as a $100 solution ($59 cooler + 2 $20 120mm Noctua fans):

It is 4C hotter, but also 4dB quieter against the Kraken X40 on load. Mind you, X40 was released in 2013 as one of the first AIOs on the market. Things have improved significantly for noise/performance in AIOs, looking at the Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer 120 just released. And it costs $65. You do get VRM heatsinks and VRAM heatsinks with the Morpheus, but who knows if it will be enough or the right size for the GPU?

In terms of price/performance, the MK-26 is even worse: $69 without fans.
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I think Palit is releasing a 3 slot 1080 iirc.

Sigh. It's been brought up about 4 times already. It has a load temperature of 72C...in other words, identical to the two-slots used by TwinFrozr and WindForce.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_1080_GameRock/29.html

Not to mention it's almost impossible to find in the USA, anyways.

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Now the Extreme 4 is a possibility. The problem with all of these, though, with the MK-26, the Extreme 4, the Morpheus: they're ancient. They were released in 2013. How are they holding up in terms of compatibility? I'm happily surprised the Extreme 4 fit onto a GTX 1080.

And, in the end...they're still swirling all the heat around inside the case. CLCs just push it all out.
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Not much worse than a radiator wink.gif

Here are some old links I posted at some point or another. Don't get me wrong - I understand there are trade-offs and situations in which a CLC may even be desirable (space constrictions, low budget/high humidity, for example), but the difference isn't as bad as it's been made out to be.

Thanks for all the links. The concerns I've been debating: heat dissipation direction (swirling all around the case--as doyll rightly pointed out earlier, GPUs are in such a compromising position in terms of airflow management--it's only made worse that they are often the hottest and largest heat generator in any gaming PC!), GPU compatibility, weight/sag concerns, & price/performance. They do compete; you're right. But, they bring their own cons with them.

All the rightly painful talk about VRM temperatures: anybody who knows anything about cooling a graphic card would've been more careful. It costs $10 to buy you a set of heatsinks that you can customize to your GPU's VRAM & VRM & $5 for a cheap 80mm fan to throw on there. frown.gif And--of course---of course--why would you connect your VRAM/VRM fan to the GPU?! The temperature/RPM graph of a GPU is catered towards purely the stock cooler. The VRMs were piping hot when they were running at 100% load, but the darned blower fan thought the GPU was at a cool 40C (which is essentially idle for the 290X, haha).

The Extreme IV looks like the most equal competitor, in terms of price/performance/noise. I'll look more into it; cheers!
Edited by ikjadoon - 7/12/16 at 1:22pm
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
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Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB ASUS DRW-24B3ST (24X DVD burner) Noctua NH-U14S w/ NH-T1 TIM Windows 10 Pro (x64) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS VG248QE w/ Lightboost @ 120Hz Ducky Shine III (MX Brown w/ Red backlights) Kingwin LZP-1000 (1000W) PSU Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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