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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

I was thinking more along the rear exhaust mount rather then roof mount. hose length comes into play when using it for GPU. i'm not sure if swiftech/EK has a "GPU kit" with the proper hose lenght to bolt onto their AIO since i'm not really a liquid guy smile.gif i'm assuming they do, else you'd have to get the hoses and block yourself... but haven't really done any research into the subject. what it comes down to is Swiftech/EK will end up costing more since the default config is with the CPU block and you will immediately have to deal with the cost of the GPU kit if the original concern is to put GPU under liquid. at which point the price is approaching a very basic custom loop.

also not all chassis's have a roof mount option(most SFF cases don't have roof options) and I really hate the idea of having to mount the AIO as intake since you are simply dumping all that heat right back into the case. this negates one of the primary advantages of liquid which is to remove heat from inside the case in the 1st place.

quality wise, CLC isn't going to be the best, but at the same time you also don't have to worry about algae growth etc... it's an endless argument and personally i see it as outside of the scope of this discussion. if we can just all agree that CLC has the highest failure possibility of ALL cooling solutions for a computer and move pass this part of the discussion, then i think it would make the discussion more productive.

Ikjadoon is talking about performance efficiency and doyll is talking about the COST of that performance efficiency in terms of reliability... we get it.... lets move past it biggrin.gif "personally" i feel. in a GPU application, the reliability cost is worth it for the usable lifetime of the GPU in question. but that's my personal opinion. with that said, i'm still using an air cooler for my GPU... tongue.gif

so... lets try to move pass this bickering and back on discussion...
Neither Swiftech or EK make a GPU specific AIO, nor do they have 140mm size radiator AIO.

Hose length may not be long enough for roof mounting,I don't know. but hoses can be easily change. One of the nice things about AIO vs CLC.

The algae thing is no more an issue in an AIO then in a CLC.

I'm not talking to Ikjadoon .. for obvious reasons. tongue.gif

A good AIO for GPU could use a 'universal' waterblock and be moved from system to system the same way a good air cooler can be. This means extended reliability is a big plus.

I moved on, as has everyone but one. wink.gif
post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

Swiftech makes the MCP140-X, which is a 140mm rad, pump and fan for this usage. You need to get the proper block for you card and tubing, fill it up and you are set.
I like clean looking builds, the "one-size-fits-none" tubing, and whatever you have to rig up to cool the VRM is not something I want to look at.
Yeah, one could be easily built. I think it's the MCR140-X Drive (MCP30 model) for about $89.95 for bare unit, no fan or fittings.

There are still some of the H140 X AIO available for $99,99 complete on Swiftech website.

Fan could be mounted on back of case pulling from radiator so radiator & pump/reservoir would be
post #53 of 56
main problem with any type of GPU waterblock is there isn't an agreed upon configuration (reference or otherwise) between the red and green teams. much like AMD and intel do not share socket mounts CPU cooler designers at least don't have to worry about memory/VRM locations when it comes to designing a mounting system that will accommodate both teams. and there is also a longevity of design issue. will a 980 block fit on a 1080 pcb? the biggest problem right now is there is no set standard. there would be a proliferation of GPU cooling if they can agree on a standard like how everyone agree with ATX standards.

the industry can benefit greatly if there was a standard in PCB design that can work for both nvidia and AMD. i mean, after all, both GPU makers still follow the same rules in terms of TDP so there is no reason why they can't have universal mounting points and silicon placement/size.
post #54 of 56
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

main problem with any type of GPU waterblock is there isn't an agreed upon configuration (reference or otherwise) between the red and green teams. much like AMD and intel do not share socket mounts CPU cooler designers at least don't have to worry about memory/VRM locations when it comes to designing a mounting system that will accommodate both teams. and there is also a longevity of design issue. will a 980 block fit on a 1080 pcb? the biggest problem right now is there is no set standard. there would be a proliferation of GPU cooling if they can agree on a standard like how everyone agree with ATX standards.

the industry can benefit greatly if there was a standard in PCB design that can work for both nvidia and AMD. i mean, after all, both GPU makers still follow the same rules in terms of TDP so there is no reason why they can't have universal mounting points and silicon placement/size.
I agree, the lack of standards on GPU is the biggest issue.
But we don't really have a good standard for motherboards either. They only have standard for model size, mounting holes, PCIe sockets and I/O. Placement of CPU, RAM, power sockets, HDD connections, other components and connections are pretty much at the manufacturers' discretion. But that's a problem to discuss another day.

GPU chip mounting is as standard as CPU is. And as a general rule I think the basic layout is as 'standard' as motherboard layouts are.
post #55 of 56
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I agree, the lack of standards on GPU is the biggest issue.
But we don't really have a good standard for motherboards either. They only have standard for model size, mounting holes, PCIe sockets and I/O. Placement of CPU, RAM, power sockets, HDD connections, other components and connections are pretty much at the manufacturers' discretion. But that's a problem to discuss another day.

GPU chip mounting is as standard as CPU is. And as a general rule I think the basic layout is as 'standard' as motherboard layouts are.

Which is to say that they are not standard at all. biggrin.gif

They are SIMILAR, but similar does not matter when mounting points don't line up. You still have to one off a mounting bracket.
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post #56 of 56
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Which is to say that they are not standard at all. biggrin.gif

They are SIMILAR, but similar does not matter when mounting points don't line up. You still have to one off a mounting bracket.
I'm not sure what you are getting at, because what I said is pretty much what you said. headscratch.gif
I was only pointing out the lack of a standard is not just GPU, but motherboard as well.

If you are referring to GPU mounting. The GPU cooler mounting points are as standard as CPU cooler mounting points.

There are a few good GPU air coolers that fit most all GPU PCBs .. same as there are good CPU coolers that fit most motherboards. I say 'a few good GPU air coolers' because there are not many companies making GPU air coolers compared to the number making CPU coolers.

The problems are GPU placement in reference to back case mounting plate and other components .. same kinds of issues are presented as for CPU coolers fitting differenct mobo, not in the GPU chip mount hole spacing.

Full cover waterblocks for GPU PCBs have same issues as for mobo PCBs.
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