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The BenQ is pretty accurate and looks like the default. Was exactly the same type of blueish ghosting I had on my XL2411Z. You can see here also:


Yeah the Samsung must have a really good implementation of the strobing, and hopefully a well balanced overdrive as well.
Hope there will be an in-depth review or some detailed user impressions soon.
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There's a difference between overdrive and too MUCH overdrive.
A normal VA panel can NOT outperform a TN panel in RESPONSIVENESS overall, meaning the TN panel will ALWAYS Be faster.
However a VA panel can have perfect overdrive, except on some black scenes, if you set the overdrive to a proper level. But then you will have slow response.

The overdrive on the Benq is set to an atrocious value. That's why the Benq has 3.2ms of *TOTAL* input lag (ignoring vsync frame time), coming from adding Signal processing lag and pixel response time.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2720z.htm

Look at the bottom of the lag chart.

But to achieve this, you pay the price in INVERSE GHOSTING.

This is how the xl2720z looks at 144hz at default, blur reduction is disabled.



If you were seeing black text on a grey background (not white) you would see the spectral color on the benq screen, that you saw in the video that looked bad.

Here is how the XL2720Z CAN LOOK (blur reduction is *DISABLED*)
Just requires two toggles to activate this which is actually a bug exploit. 144hz MBR=off



If this were used in that test, everyone would be saying "Benq benq benq".
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The monitor looks good but let's not forget this video was from Samsung themselves so obviously they wouldn't put anything up that shows their monitor being worst. Let's just wait for some proper reviews.
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post #124 of 4211
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That's insane!
If the 34" is anything close to that I can die happy...if not I'm gonna pick the 24" one and still be happy enough.

But idk what to think of it, can a VA panel really have less ghosting than a TN? Sure it did in the video but idk, just sounds too good to be true.
Take a look:

For instance in this chart, Eizo 2421 which is VA has no reverse tracing, despite Dell 2716 IPS panel that is on the orange tier. The other panels which have unmitigated reverse traces are the TNs.
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Found this on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ore6DeSGLfQ

Pretty sure it's the 24" model in this thread beating out a BenQ 1MS display and I think some type of ViewSonic 4MS IPS? Looks like it's beating out the BenQ in regards to trailing/ghosting. thumb.gif

Damn that looks promising. I really hope Samsung delivers.
It's nice to see someone focusing on improving the worst part of VA panels, since AUO and all their partners couldn't be making things worse if they tried.
Acer, BenQ and the like have just been running VA into the ground.

There hasn't been a high refresh rate VA panel good with blur since the Eizo FG2421 (Sharp panel)
Its only taken about 4 years for anything else to come even relatively close...
post #126 of 4211
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Take a look:

For instance in this chart, Eizo 2421 which is VA has no reverse tracing, despite Dell 2716 IPS panel that is on the orange tier. The other panels which have unmitigated reverse traces are the TNs.

Thats really solid. And the Eizo is already a couple years on the market I think, lets see how much further Samsung managed to push VA in that time.
Just saw a IPS vs VA comparison again, man I just want these awesome blacks for movies.

Can't wait for the review of the 24", that should be a first hint.
post #127 of 4211
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Thats really solid. And the Eizo is already a couple years on the market I think, lets see how much further Samsung managed to push VA in that time.
Just saw a IPS vs VA comparison again, man I just want these awesome blacks for movies.

Can't wait for the review of the 24", that should be a first hint.

And the FG2421 still has the usual very high response times in very dark pixel transitions (TFTCentral recorded 44ms peak). These Samsungs don't seem to have that problem (or if they do it's not nearly as bad), and high end TVs not only from Samsung but others don't have that problem.

Samsung will be developing a 31.5" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz VA panel in the future (source), and AU Optronics is doing the same. Too bad I'd have to choose AUO for the G-SYNC, since my game selection leaves me stuck with NVIDIA.

That high contrast and deep blacks is great for games too. I'll never forget how my XB270HU ruined SOMA for me, the low contrast and extreme glow was made so evident.
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And the FG2421 still has the usual very high response times in very dark pixel transitions (TFTCentral recorded 44ms peak). These Samsungs don't seem to have that problem (or if they do it's not nearly as bad), and high end TVs not only from Samsung but others don't have that problem.

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That high contrast and deep blacks is great for games too. I'll never forget how my XB270HU ruined SOMA for me, the low contrast and extreme glow was made so evident.

My XB270HU was just as annoying for me when playing any game that had day/night cycles like Witcher 3, Fallout 4, MGS5. I had to resort to using the in game time fast forwarding to avoid any night cycles entirely since the glow was just so damn distracting. For games that had dark scenes that could not be skipped like Rise of the Tomb Raider it was just painful to play through those. And I don't even think my unit had extremely bad glow, it was on the minimal/average side compared to what other users have showed on their displays. TN panel "viewing angle problems" are far, far less intrusive to my gaming experience. The viewing angles on my S2417DG are probably even better than my old VG248QE.
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I hate AUO for the crappy quality they keep on delivering with their IPS panels, I will try to stay away from the crap they produce. And I also dislike Asus and Acer because they keep on forwarding this crappy quality to customers instead of demanding higher quality from AUO.

Hell I would just pick the 34" Samsung and buy a cheap 144hz TN for fps games if the positioning wasn't problem.
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It looks like they were definitely using the strobing on the samsung with how clear it looked, and there was virtually no ghosting to speak off from the video.
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