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My problem with my OLED isnt image retention but just the sheer size makes it impossible to use as a monitor. I would love a 32-40 inch 4k OLED.
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I completely agree that OLED is superior in every way, and I too can't wait for it to become more affordable. But, the argument I see about viewing angles never makes sense to me - how often do you use a PC monitor at such an oblique angle? It almost never happens and I don't think should be used to judge a monitor. You sit directly in front of the screen the vast majority of the time.

Yeah most will view the screen from right in front of it but even on a TN you'll still run into off angle viewing even head on. I notice it mostly when on web pages, ingame its never an issue unless there was a particularly bright spot somewhere i may notice. Then there is also the vertical gamma shift that is a problem no matter what. VAs and IPS are a lot better when viewing head on since they don't start showing off angle weakness as early as TN.
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OLED is not perfect either. Image retention is a real problem still today, some people dont like how motion looks on OLED and brightness is not near as high as LED's can get (problem for HDR). I still think OLED is the future and really want one for my bedroom but i dont see it coming to PC's anytime soon on a large scale.

Image retention isn't a huge issue anymore and it only becomes less of a problem the more R&D that goes into OLED. LG has some cleaning options in the settings that you can run to get rid of any burn in on their newer TVs. The brightness is also better on the 2017 sets, still short of 1000 nits for better HDR but still manages 700 nits in the 2% and 10% window tests. 100% sustain is only around 135 nits but if you're viewing the TV in a dim room as it should be then that brightness is perfectly adequate.

The only thing that makes OLED currently not viable as a computer display is the size. The most i would do is 40" on my desk and we wont see those sizes show up for some time still. I know Dell has their 30" monitor but im pretty sure its a lackluster gaming monitor (lag) and its only 60hz, oh and the price too. GIve me a 24-27" 4k oled 144hz monitor with HDR TODAY and i'll pay $2k which i think is a fair price. Makes me sick knowing they'll be charging near that for the upcoming 4k 144hz monitors with hdr and gsync. Who knows i might bite, but the panel better be flawless and have IPS glow equal to or less than that seen on the retina macbook pros.
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OLED is not perfect either. Image retention is a real problem still today, some people dont like how motion looks on OLED and brightness is not near as high as LED's can get (problem for HDR). I still think OLED is the future and really want one for my bedroom but i dont see it coming to PC's anytime soon on a large scale.

The people who don't like how motion looks on OLED don't like it due to its lack of strobing. It is still far better motion than any non-strobing LCD of course.

Image retention is possible, but on 2016 and later LG OLED TVs good luck getting it. I know someone who uses it almost exclusively as a PC monitor, has had it since last Christmas, and never had any retention (and he has 4-6 hour gaming sessions). Go on avsforum and you will see similar results. Retention is mostly a solved issue, even if you get it it's easy to remove on 2016-2017 LG OLED TVs.
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No im not saying its better or worse, i just know that some people find it weird.....almost nauseating to some. I get this from OLED owners club over at AVS forum.

Also rtings still has image retention as a downside to the 2017 OLED's:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled

Temporary retention can happen when static images stay on screen too long

And if you scroll down in the comments section they do mention a couple times that image retention is still a thing.

BTW none of this stuff is enough to stop me from wanting one (cant afford atm lol). I just wanted to make clear to people, OLED is not a perfect technology and its not for everyone.
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No im not saying its better or worse, i just know that some people find it weird.....almost nauseating to some. I get this from OLED owners club over at AVS forum.

Also rtings still has image retention as a downside to the 2017 OLED's:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled

Temporary retention can happen when static images stay on screen too long

And if you scroll down in the comments section they do mention a couple times that image retention is still a thing.

BTW none of this stuff is enough to stop me from wanting one (cant afford atm lol). I just wanted to make clear to people, OLED is not a perfect technology and its not for everyone.

Yeah it's not perfect. It's not for people who will have the display in direct sunlight, and not for people who can't afford it, and that's just as far as TVs go of course.
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Yeah it's not perfect. It's not for people who will have the display in direct sunlight, and not for people who can't afford it, and that's just as far as TVs go of course.

Well cost factor aside there is also the fact they get less than half as bright as high end LED tv's. I wasnt even taking into consideration people who watch with shades open, once HDR matures the need for intensely bright panels becomes necessary to improve the experience. That is really the limiting factor of OLED right now, but i think even with that major downside the infinite contrast will win out and the masses realize how important native contrast is.
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The people who don't like how motion looks on OLED don't like it due to its lack of strobing. It is still far better motion than any non-strobing LCD of course.

Image retention is possible, but on 2016 and later LG OLED TVs good luck getting it. I know someone who uses it almost exclusively as a PC monitor, has had it since last Christmas, and never had any retention (and he has 4-6 hour gaming sessions). Go on avsforum and you will see similar results. Retention is mostly a solved issue, even if you get it it's easy to remove on 2016-2017 LG OLED TVs.

I actually forgot to reply to that part about the motion. With the near instant pixel response you get rid of some blur and trailing like you get with LCDs slower pixel response. I think the people who find it weird to look at are the same ones who didn't like hobbit in 48 fps. Basically their brains are so used to 24 fps films and shows that looking at something that actually has smooth motion especially when a camera pans looks weird to them.
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I actually forgot to reply to that part about the motion. With the near instant pixel response you get rid of some blur and trailing like you get with LCDs slower pixel response. I think the people who find it weird to look at are the same ones who didn't like hobbit in 48 fps. Basically their brains are so used to 24 fps films and shows that looking at something that actually has smooth motion especially when a camera pans looks weird to them.

The other thing with The Hobbit is that it also suffers from the soap opera effect. Whereas if we were talking about video games without V-Sync, with variable refresh rate, or with V-Sync but without missing the target FPS, higher frame rate will look better to them (though this won't stop some people from trying to convince themselves otherwise).

I don't know, those people are probably used to Plasma? OLED can never touch Plasma's motion clarity at 60 Hz.
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Slow response times are better at hiding low framerate judder. It's only an issue with some movies. Some video players have smooth motion functions that add some motion blur to panning shots without changing the framerate to alleviate that effect. So it's not really an issue. I'd pick near instantaneous pixel response time over sluggish LCD pixels every time.
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Any advice on whether I should exchange this monitor? It is a MSI G24C, which has the same VA panel (lsm236hp02) as the Samsung C24FG70. Looks like it has the same backlight bleed problem as the C24FG70. However, there are zero dead pixels, and doesn't appear to have the purple shift. Is it worth risking the panel lottery and trying a different one?

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Core i7 2600K@4.5GHz Asus P8Z68-V XFX RX 480 XXX Patriot Viper Xtreme DDR3-1600 
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SanDisk 120GB SSD | Samsung HD103SJ LITE-ON iHOS104-06 Windows 10 24" BenQ G2400WD 
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Logitech G11 Corsair TX750W Cooler Master Stacker 
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Core i7 2600K@4.5GHz Asus P8Z68-V XFX RX 480 XXX Patriot Viper Xtreme DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SanDisk 120GB SSD | Samsung HD103SJ LITE-ON iHOS104-06 Windows 10 24" BenQ G2400WD 
KeyboardPowerCase
Logitech G11 Corsair TX750W Cooler Master Stacker 
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