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If possible replace it as well. With socket temps that high you might end up killing that board.

Also, DO NOT overclock on that motherboard.

Will do, if possible. And don't worry, I don't plan on overclocking anything.
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I'm assuming you agree with the others on the Temp, then? Either way, I plan on getting a liquid cooling system for the CPU.

I just updated my previous post, you need to fix those ASAP, you should feel lucky it haven't died, trust me it is that bad.
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Max temperature should be no more than 70C for prolonged periods of time but I bet you are close to 80C, if not over, most of the time.

 

By the sounds of things you need almost a new PC. That motherboard is terrible, while it supports FX chips its VRM's aren't of high quality, which adds to heat. If you can find a second hand Sabertooth or Crosshair V. They are amazing boards that have a plethora of options when it comes to fine tuning and overclocking your system in case you want to in the future.

 

The stock HSF is quite bad, there is no way that thing can keep FX8xxx's cool, so that needs to be replaced and I disagree with an H60 as you can get better for less. I highly recommend the Phanteks PH-TC14PE, stomp that H60 in the ground when it comes to temperature and accoustics (I have an H70 and that thing is terribe, the H60 is worse overall than that so I recommend avoiding it).

 

I don't know what your case looks like so please provide photos with fan placements.

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Hello. Your problem is your motheboard. Despite MSI's claims, this motherboard shouldn't host an 8320. Your FPS drops because most likely your motherboard throttles. The temperatures you are getting are too high even for stock cooler. Again, because the root of the problem is the motherboard overheating, which causes also the CPU to overheat.

Try to run Prime95 while keeping open CPU-Z. You will most likely see the CPU frequency drop to 1.4Ghz every few seconds. This is when you lose FPS in games too. You need better motherboard, the cheap MSIs are very dangerous to run with FX8 cores, because of their poor or non existent VRM protection implementation. You could try to undervolt at stock clocks, but because of what i said, i wouldn't trust that motherboard even with undervolted 8-core.

It's basically your motherboard that can't stand the CPU and it overheats so much, that risks to damage the CPU too. You need at least an 6+2 phase motherboard, better 8+2, so that you can overclock a bit too.

MSI, used to have warnings on all the cheap 760 motherboards, saying "Please don't run heavy burn in tools for the longevity of this motherboard".

These motherboards are completely unsuited for 83xx.
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Hello. Your problem is your motheboard. Despite MSI's claims, this motherboard shouldn't host an 8320. Your FPS drops because most likely your motherboard throttles. The temperatures you are getting are too high even for stock cooler. Again, because the root of the problem is the motherboard overheating, which causes also the CPU to overheat.

Try to run Prime95 while keeping open CPU-Z. You will most likely see the CPU frequency drop to 1.4Ghz every few seconds. This is when you lose FPS in games too. You need better motherboard, the cheap MSIs are very dangerous to run with FX8 cores, because of their poor or non existent VRM protection implementation. You could try to undervolt at stock clocks, but because of what i said, i wouldn't trust that motherboard even with undervolted 8-core.

With his current setup I think the mere action of downloading Prime95 will be enough to kill his entire PC
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With his current setup I think the mere action of downloading Prime95 will be enough to kill his entire PC

Yes, this risk is real... Anyway, i can't think of other way of demonstrating that it's the motherboard's fault...

EDIT: Just for the record.


Here is MSI's rep, that admits that the MSI 970G46 (which is better than this 760G), can't really support 125W Vishera (like MSI claimed), because "it's 140W really":

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?s=0719a561f0c0fc913d0d6ff4e2fb8345&p=34588633&postcount=24

MSI 760G E51FX, throttling with BOINC. At the TIME, MSI had put in ALL 760 motherboards, warning to "not run heavy burn-in tools". In reality, it was "don't run 100% loads".

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69178

If you go today to MSI's site, they 've removed ALL warnings, because they realized they were bad for sales.

Same motherboard today, without the warning:

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/760GME51_FX.html#hero-overview


So, YES, they are CONSCIOUSLY, deceiving customers.

In OCN, own database, MSI's record is frightening that anything below the Gaming series.



http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

^ The database is actually wrong also for the 970 Gaming. It's not 8+2 phase, it's 6+2 phase. I had informed the OP that maintains the list, but he is probably away, so the mistake remains.

In AM3+, MSI and Asrock have fraudolent or quasi-fraudolent TDP support claims on most of their cheap-medium motherboards. Basically, below 75$, you should always take their claims with a big grain of salt and better is to AVOID purchasing MSIs and Asrocks at this price range.


@ OP: The cheapest motherboard, that you can use without any worries at stock clock and even overclock up to 4.4Ghz, is the Gigabyte 970 UD3P.
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A liquid cooler is not required. A hyper 212+ evo over clocked my friends 8320 to 4.4 GHz with primw temps in the 50's
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I would also like to toss my 2cents.gif about the cooler.

Unless you are planning to spend a lot (which is relative, but upwards of $100) on a water cooling solution, I strongly suggest a big air cooler - it will perform better, produce less noise, and be immensely more reliable.
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@ OP: The cheapest motherboard, that you can use without any worries at stock clock and even overclock up to 4.4Ghz, is the Gigabyte 970 UD3P.

There are a lot of bad reviews this year on Newegg for that board about random deaths after a couple months and such. Way too many of those reviews this year for me to be ok throwing it out as a recommendation. Gigabyte probably has a defective batch out there or something.




As to the OP, that is really high temps as everyone else said, but even the stock cooler should not be running like that. Most likely you did not mount the cooler properly. perhaps the thermal interface material between the CPU and the cooler is bad? Or it could be bad soldering in the CPU I suppose but that would be pretty rare as not many people seem to have issues with the IHS on AMD.
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There are a lot of bad reviews this year on Newegg for that board about random deaths after a couple months and such. Way too many of those reviews this year for me to be ok throwing it out as a recommendation. Gigabyte probably has a defective batch out there or something.

I see what you mean. It's like an epidemic of dead motherboards has hit the Newegg... Gigabyte fixes one thing with new revisions and breaks another. Unfortunately this limits the options for cheap decent motherboards...
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