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post #31 of 260
DM Classic

The shape of the mouse should repeat one of the classics - WMO, but with side buttons, Top of the range sensor (3360 or better). Modular body design. The left or right side buttons can be replaced with either buttons or a flush piece so that they wont interfere with your grip.

Coating:
1 - Full matte coating
2 - Glossy coating
3 - Rubber injected sides and matte top
4 - Rubber injected sides and glossy top

Optical encoder wheel with spring loaded notches. Spring tension can be adjusted by opening the mouse and increasing or decreasing the tension of the spring with a hexagonal tool (provided in the box).

Rubber cable with raised exit point and upward tilt.

Large teflon mouse feet that do not cover the screw holes. A spare set is shipped with the mouse

Swapable switches with a universal socket and the option to use either OMRON or HUANO switches (comes with Huano and Omrons in the box). Hardened plastic used on the LMB and RMB in place of contact with switch to reduce wear and increase the longevity of the mouse.

On board memory for storing settings.

500hz or 1000hz polling rate

DPI level increments of 50.

Weight - 90 grams or less for matte or glossy. 95 grams for rubber injected sides version.
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post #32 of 260
I'll play.

On paper, I like the idea of swappable top shell, in practice, probably not reasonable (buttons, ect).

So :

- WMO-style shape. Meaning, Relatively wide at the back, good girth, good height, and also good button height, shallow, almost non-existent thumb groove like WMO. Basically not stupidly shaped like a racecar.

- Buttons, concave (like WMO), or convex (like DeathAdder / FK1), not really a big deal in my experience.

- Two side buttons. DPI button on the top. I don't mind the FK1 placement, but basically, either side of the thumb pressure point.

- Scrollwheel, well, the WMO has a nice soft scrollwheel, I learned to live with the FK1, so whatever. Well forward too. Big hands.

- Sensor placement, Basically where thumb pressure would be.

- Lights : none, Don't care, don't need the complication.

- Cable : unbraided and soft, Zowie has decent cables. Not dragging on surface, maybe slanted slightly up.

- Buttons : whatever, Omrons, Huanos, I guess.

- Weight : Light. 80 / 85 gr, or lighter even.

- Texture : Whatever. But not glossy.

- Color : Black, of course.

- Feet : Whatever people say works best. Something that can work with 3rd party replacements, so it's customisable at no cost to you.

- Software / Drivers : Super lightweight. Maybe just an exe that flashes the firmware / small onboard profile. Standard DPI (400 / 800 / 1200) does me fine. People probably want 50 increments though. DPI Button switches between three on-board profiles.



Codename : DMX.

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post #33 of 260
Dreaming Machine Perfectus

Since you already have a sensei shaped mouse in your inventory. You should go for something pureley right handed as with the shape and design of the IE3.0 or something similar in the lines with the rival. It should have omron switches with a 3360 sensor that will support a even greater weight or matching that of the finalmouse under 80 grams. The mouse should only have Mouse button 1,2,3,4,5 (Thumb buttons included), mouse wheel, and 1 dpi switch. Make it out of a sturdy but light plastic and include the other options as matte and glossy for those who desire different options. Cable should use a flexible unbraided cable. Nice large teflon feet with a 1000hz polling rate.
post #34 of 260
The first idea is what I am submitting for entry:
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1. DM Marksman (or DM Sniper) -- Zowie MiCO clone

Extremely light and precise, it is designed with only one purpose in mind
Its geometry is not for everyone, in the hands of the elite its lethality is unparalleled.
I like this name because DM also stands for "Designated Marksman"
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I'll also throw in a couple more ideas just for the fun of discussion, not meant to be entered for the prize.
You guys are free to take these as your entry.

2. DM Spartan -- WMO clone
Spartan, as in the design principle of the Ferrari F40. Bare-bones, no-nonsense, pure utility.
What better shape than the WMO to represent this?

3. DM Scout -- G1 clone
Extremely versatile and universal shape.


Also, I'll put this here, as per our previous conversation on good design for fingertip grip mice:
Quote:
Hi, really appreciate your reply!

I have yet to purchase either of the DM1 or 2, as I am an extreme fingertip user and have personally tried the Sensei shape before, which has a slightly wider butt than I would have liked.

However, I am already hooked to your brand seeing that you guys are not shy from recreating great shapes that the community love! I am definitely eyeing your product lines very, very closely biggrin.gif

The shape which extreme fingertip users like us look for must fit these criteria in the following order (which very few mice on the market currently manages):

1. a slim butt in which total flexion of the fingers would not cause the rear of the mouse to come in contact (only Logitech Mini Optical and Zowie MiCo satisfies this, G100s require holding it slightly rearward to achieve this, which really disrupts the balance for FPS)

2. a sharply vertical and smoothly contoured side profile that extends all the way to the butt, or alternatively if the butt is to be vertically rounded, the vertex line must align with the center of the side strip. The former requirement is so that pushing the mouse around with fingertips will have exactly horizontal force components, while the latter is so that total extension of the fingers allows an additional range limit by letting the mouse roll on the thumb.

Pretty much every single mice on the market has a downward slope at the butt, which means that pushing the extension limit tends to nudge the palm upward. One example of this is the Zowie ZA13 whose dimension almost makes it a perfect fingertip mouse but failed in this respect.

3. A short front-to-back length so that its angular moment of inertia is reduced, i.e. when lifting the mouse with only two pivot points of the fingertip it would not tilt forward or backward so readily. The G100s suffers from this slightly.

The following ergonomic points are also quite important in order, but not as urgently critical as the previous three:

4. the button profile should be as horizontal as the design allows. This is so that depressing the button would not cause the mouse to shift rearwards due to the slanted force components. The G100s is one example that comes close to perfection but flawed in this respect.

5. A short side-vertex-to-scrollwheel distance. Because us fingertip users will pretty much always hold the mouse at around the side vertex, most mice have the scrollwheel located too far from the side vertex, requiring extreme and unnatural extension of the finger to firmly middle click without scrolling. Prime examples include G100s and G303. Interesting to note for the G303 is that the scrollwheel-to-rear distance is actually designed to be smaller than typical, which is one good way of reducing the effective front-to-back mouse length, but then they completely negates this good design decision by making the side vertex way too far back.

6. the contact height of the buttons with respect to the fingertips should not be too high. Us fingertip-users hold the mouse such that it mimics the shape of the hand when resting all five fingers on the table (as opposed to palmers who rest with their hand tilted outward such that the thumb does not contact the flat surface at all).
Try it -- rest your palm and all 5 fingers on the flat surface with natural curl. Now, the stress on the fingers from button height of the mouse is represented by lifting your index and middle finger. The buttons are too high when the base joints are close to flat with the back of your hand

7. the sensor y-position should align with the side-vertex axis

Thank you once again for being so appreciative, please do not hesitate to ask if I were not clear on any of the points. I could provide diagrams and photographs to aid the explanation if you wish.

Regards,

Daniel

Edited by daniel0731ex - 7/11/16 at 10:04am
post #35 of 260
Please throw in your ideas for the next Dream Machines mice products. Let's imagine there will be future DM gaming mice. You can offer ONE idea for a product name. Also let us know your thoughts as to what you feel makes a good gaming mouse.

Today's mice are mostly comprised of variations of previous mice:

Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 -> Deathadder, Steelseries Rival 300, Zowie EC1-A
Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical -> Zowie FK1, Sensei Raw, DM1 Pro

However, all the of new variations are flawed compared to the original. Deathadders have the dreadful protruding corner on the top right which digs into fingers and their drivers are garbage. Steelseries Rival 300 is too thin and the back side of the mouse is too big, also their drivers are garbage as well. Zowie mice are all too thin and they just have endless manufacturing problems and micro-launches are pissing off their customers.

Dream Machines can be THE company to do it all right and get back to the basics.

DM 3 Vintage - similar shape to the deathadder without the top right corner protrusion. Ideally, you're trying to remake the intellimouse explorer 3.0 with LEDs, no drivers, low latency omrons, and the 3360, $40-50 price point.

DM 4 Retro - similar shape to the Logitech G500 series (G500, G510, G518). People LOVED this shape and Logitech totally screwed themselves over by not continuing that shape. LEDs, no drivers, low latency omrons, and the 3360, $40-50 price point.

The keys to a good mouse:
1. Low latency clicks, aka the moment when you physically click and the on screen input should be zero lag
2. Solid sensor with zero smoothing and zero acceleration, 3360
3. Good quality control from unit to unit
4. Good mouse wheel
5. Omrons
6. 5 buttons (standard for most gaming mice)
7. Shapes are absolutely up to the company and whatever they discover from their marketing department. Or you can just use my suggestion above.
8. Low weight between 85g-100g
9. $40-50 USD price point
10. Driverless
Edited by bond10 - 7/11/16 at 10:21am
post #36 of 260
DM Zowie but better

EC2A but with less play on all the buttons
post #37 of 260
Let's go with DM Spartan.
Lightweight MX300 or G100s clone.
Simple mouse feet, circular or oval, easy to replace.
3360 sensor.
No side buttons.
Light as can be <80 grams if possible.
Rubber cable.

Thanks for asking for the input 😀
post #38 of 260
For the next DM mouse I would like to see a IE 3.0 style mouse with the 3360 sensor with the weight of 85-90g and cost around $40-$50.
post #39 of 260
DM0 Pro S

- A smaller DM1 Pro S, relatively narrower than the DM1.
- 80g or less
- NON BRAIDED CABLE PLS
- Minimalistic box
- 3360 ofc
- Offer a way to change the polling rate and the lod as well. It can be done either by software* or just like you do on Zowie mice.

* = a minimalistic software that doesnt need to be installed. If possible, then add ways to change the DPI from 50 to 50 or 100 to 100, create our own profiles with our own DPI steps, and be able to turn off/on the lights and/or change the colors.

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post #40 of 260
DM3 Competition

EC1, XM300, Deathadder esque shape, 3360, less than 100g, rubber cable.. thats it really biggrin.gif
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