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The price is still out of reach for me, but it's a huge move in the right direction. I really want to get an SSD for my desktop to store everything on a single drive but I've had more SSDs fail than anything else. Been really hesitant to RAID up a bunch of smaller SSDs because of that, it just multiplies your chance of failure.

What SSDs have been failing for you? I've had the opposite results; none of the three SSDs I own have failed and are still going strong (but then, I own only Samsung 840 Pro—1—and EVOs—2).

A little bit of everything. Most were in the original SandForce controller days. Eventually I just got tired of always doing RMAs and switched back to good-old Western Digital mechanical disks.

Surprisingly the longest-lasting SSD I ever owned was a remanufactured OCZ 50GB I paid about $30 for just to hold a Minecraft server. It finally died about a month ago after a couple years of light usage.

Don't paint today's SSDs with the brush from the older SSDs, especially the ones with the old Sandforce controllers. My oldest SSD is a 128GB Samsung 840 Pro that's only a little over 3 1/2 years old.
     
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4TB of SSD for the price of 6TB's of SSD, not exactly a bang up value.

I like my 850's but I don't need every last drop of SSD performance for games/storage. Cheaper SSD's (Mushkin Reactor) for game and file storage works just fine.

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All that flash and they chose a SATA connection...

SATA is just fine for storage drives.

Exactly!

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4TB of SSD for the price of 6TB's of SSD, not exactly a bang up value.

I like my 850's but I don't need every last drop of SSD performance for games/storage. Cheaper SSD's (Mushkin Reactor) for game and file storage works just fine.

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All that flash and they chose a SATA connection...

SATA is just fine for storage drives.

Even if you don't really need the speed, the reliability though...you can drop these or w/e and it doesn't make a difference.

So having a $1500 SSD choked to 20% of it's raw potential by an ancient interface is "just fine"? Lol ok. I'm sure running DDR3-800 RAM is just fine as long as you have enough of it!

You are completely missing the point. SATA III is plenty fast for storage. This drive is designed for storage. It still will beat the holy, hairy heck out of any spinner. If you need more speed for booting, etc., don't buy this drive.

Keep in mind not everyone has unlimited access to PCI-e lanes, NVMe, etc., if they have it at all. Many people still have to use SATA II.
     
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do most (non prosumer) people need more than 2TB ? specially in this era of streaming music, google photos, onedrive and torrents ? serious question, what occupies so much space on your PC?
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Now laptops can have 2x 1TB SM961 and 2x 4TB 850 evo SSDs or 10TB of SSDs in a desktop laptop.
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You are completely missing the point. SATA III is plenty fast for storage. This drive is designed for storage. It still will beat the holy, hairy heck out of any spinner. If you need more speed for booting, etc., don't buy this drive.

Keep in mind not everyone has unlimited access to PCI-e lanes, NVMe, etc., if they have it at all. Many people still have to use SATA II.

Does SATA III have any impact on random access speeds ie the one that actually counts for how snappy your system feels? I'm inclined to say no based on official and user reviews of Intel's 750, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong so I can justify spending more on an NVMe drive
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If you need more speed for booting, etc., don't buy this drive.

By the time you are pushing SATA speed limits you are way past the point of diminishing returns with boot times.
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Does SATA III have any impact on random access speeds ie the one that actually counts for how snappy your system feels? I'm inclined to say no based on official and user reviews of Intel's 750, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong so I can justify spending more on an NVMe drive

NVMe can be much faster (more due to protocols than physical interfaces) with truly heavy loads, even if you don't count the raw bandwidth advantage, but for general use, most any modern SSD is fine.

I have budget 6 year old SATA II SSDs that I can barely distinguish from top tier modern drives in daily use.
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Thanks, so until there's a breakthrough in 4K random read speeds, modern SSDs will all more or less feel the same for daily use. frown.gif

I guess with NVMe you can at least get rid of two cables, but that's not exactly a huge selling point lol
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So having a $1500 SSD choked to 20% of it's raw potential by an ancient interface is "just fine"? Lol ok. I'm sure running DDR3-800 RAM is just fine as long as you have enough of it!

The day SSD's are able to fully saturate the random read/writes of the ancient SATA interface is when you have a legitimate claim.

 

There are still servers that run DDR3 800 due to reliability.

 

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You are completely missing the point. SATA III is plenty fast for storage. This drive is designed for storage. It still will beat the holy, hairy heck out of any spinner. If you need more speed for booting, etc., don't buy this drive.

Keep in mind not everyone has unlimited access to PCI-e lanes, NVMe, etc., if they have it at all. Many people still have to use SATA II.

Does SATA III have any impact on random access speeds ie the one that actually counts for how snappy your system feels? I'm inclined to say no based on official and user reviews of Intel's 750, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong so I can justify spending more on an NVMe drive

Even SATA I doesn't saturate random read/writes so having anything faster won't increase boot times or improve the 'snappiness' of a system.

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Thanks, so until there's a breakthrough in 4K random read speeds, modern SSDs will all more or less feel the same for daily use. frown.gif

I guess with NVMe you can at least get rid of two cables, but that's not exactly a huge selling point lol

4k random read speeds aren't the problem and NVMe drives can have impressive gains over SATA/AHCI. The issue is that storage performance isn't the bottleneck.

When I open this browser that has 40+ saved tabs up, it takes a moment for all tabs to be usable...because a 4.3GHz Haswell CPU core is too slow, not because I need a faster SSD.
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Even SATA I doesn't saturate random read/writes so having anything faster won't increase boot times or improve the 'snappiness' of a system.

the problem isn't literally about saturating it or not, SATA still has a larger overhead compared to PCI-E based connection in NVMe mode.
so while using NVMe mode, even if the maximum sequential read/write throughput is capped at 1GB/s, the overall IOPs improves by quite a bit.



technically, they could've used SATA Express for their connection, with a fallback to SATA.
e.g. it'll work with either SATA in AHCI mode, or a SATA Express in NVMe mode.

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games

so that you p much never have to manage them

install w/e you want and play whenever you want


right now I have 500GB SSD for system + some games and a 3TB media/downloads HDD, and will buy a 1TB SSD for present & future games .. 1.5TB for system + games should be more then enough for a long time without uninstalling often

never a fan of "install a ton and leave it as is", its like having lots and lots of bloatwares.
i prefer managing the things installed on the SSD.
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