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I dunno, mechs are nice and all, but Gears are totally better. Maneuverability and ease of concealment over a giant towering death machine. tongue.gif (Heavy Gear reference for those that don't get it)

I hammered that game to death...

This was always going to happen,high quality always appeals but without the mass production facilities you are going to have these stock issues,perversely if you have the mass production facilities then the quality tends to suffer. At least Caselabs has the good outlook by keeping its fans informed,that kind of thing makes companies rather than breaking them.
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Again I see cl leaving is roots and I for one don't like it :/ they keep trying cheaper instead of unique and functional

IE sff psus are all but useless. If they were not. There would be far more

Nonsense,SFX PSU are not everywhere because demand isn't very high,ATX form factor is dominant. Why develop for the 5%?
Equating product range with quality is just stupid,Coolermaster make many more cases than Caselabs,would you say they were better quality...because personally I would rather catch bubonic plague from eating monkey crap than run Coolermaster fodder....
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You state demand isn't high. Why demand isn't high is because of a mix of many reasons (what I call useless)

1 low quality (power output quality)
2 not needed and too restrictive
3 noncompatible and frankly I would bet a form factor that will not make it due to the low sales (aka a minidisc)

The consumer pc base is already shrinking and imo this will not make it. I personally think the " next big thing " with psus will be Pico psus

Either way. My statement stands. Even if sff takes off like coffee
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You state demand isn't high. Why demand isn't high is because of a mix of many reasons (what I call useless)

1 low quality (power output quality)
2 not needed and too restrictive
3 noncompatible and frankly I would bet a form factor that will not make it due to the low sales (aka a minidisc)

The consumer pc base is already shrinking and imo this will not make it. I personally think the " next big thing " with psus will be Pico psus

Either way. My statement stands. Even if sff takes off like coffee
Sfx demand is not high because the form factor is limited to HTPC or small builds,which by nature is a tiny % of overall sales. Noncompatible? Noncompatible with what? Sfx adaptors are commonplace. You seriously need to read up on SFX PSU quality,they are as good as ATX equivalent's.

You are talking nonsense tbh.
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Every reputable review I have seen shows them at best mediocre power quality

Disagree with b Neg on an opinion = nonsensical?
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I hammered that game to death...

This was always going to happen,high quality always appeals but without the mass production facilities you are going to have these stock issues,perversely if you have the mass production facilities then the quality tends to suffer. At least Caselabs has the good outlook by keeping its fans informed,that kind of thing makes companies rather than breaking them.

I still have most of the rule and sourcebooks I bought years ago from DreamPod 9.... As well as the second game Activision put out. Such a pity it's a major pain to get running nowadays, as it was a ton of fun.
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Even if all of the stars aligned it would still be difficult to maintain our current product line and desired shipping times. I know it doesn't sound like it, but when you offer 4 different side panels, 5 variants of flex bay configurations, 3 different to panels, not to mention other accessories just for one particular model, there's no way to really track and manage SKUs.

I think we'll probably always have at least a couple "system" based chassis like we do now, but we do need to tread into new territory and make other types of chassis for multiple reasons, not just production times. They may not see the plethora of options the system based ones do, but they won't be slouches.

First part sounds like SKU hell once you get going, and as for the second one... So long as we can still order in the cases we like (SMA8, STH10, or the revised version of said chassis)... Even if one has to go back to how things were back in the day (aka order flexbay accessories and radiator mounts seperately). ^_^;;;;

While part of me raises an eyebrow at orders being temporarily suspended, and I was frustrated with the two-tone period being bumped a month ahead, Jim has provided a fairly good explanation of things.... And I'm naturally curious to see how things will be in the future, but I'll do my best to be patient about it.
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Every reputable review I have seen shows them at best mediocre power quality

Disagree with b Neg on an opinion = nonsensical?

There are inherent limitations of the SFX/SFX-L form factor including lack of space to have a ton of rail filtering and larger fans with a less aggressive fan curve. That aside, there is nothing wrong with them. The Corsair SF600 is an excellent 80 PLUS Gold unit and Silverstone's SX700-LPT and upcoming SX800-LTT are very good PSUs too. You will absolutely find comparable ATX PSUs at a better price but when space is limited, and this is where the industry is heading, these are not a bottleneck to performance anymore.
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According to the OCN podcast that featured the guy from SeaSonic ... they are heading in that direction / will be launching SFX versions too.
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Sounds like we need a kickstarter or something to fund some CL expansion smile.gif I do kind of agree though that a massive expansion in CL manufacturing might not be the right way to go. I like manufacturing in the US, I think it brings true value to the economy. Real jobs that create real things. As an engineer I appreciate that, but I also appreciate that you can't compete doing standard things vs an outsourcing company. I work at an engineering startup and we survive by being efficient as hell, but also being different and competing where others don't. CaseLabs has been similar so far, but it's important not to think like a big company. Customers want the advantages of a big company like "free" shipping, availability, the pricepoint of "made in china" while keeping the things that make CL standout. That is not all possible, and I think you guys need to focus on what is the long term goal for CL's growth and how to get there. Is CL a case designer or is it a custom manufacturer? Where is the competitive advantage? Personally I see the competitive advantage in the case design and in the ideas - i.e. not in the manufacturing. Yes the manufacturing quality is awesome and a huge part of CL historically. But it's the ideas and design that make CL stand out. The rest is a bonus to me.

BTW something to think about: Rivendell bicycles make custom high end bicycle frames. They do it old school, brazing with lugs on steel rather than welding or using aluminum or carbon. They started off only manufacturing in the US. They also had a supply and demand issue so quite a few years back they launched a second/third tier of products, first it was non custom, and then they started outsourcing too (Japan first I think then they switched to Taiwan). Essentially they have three tiers of products:

Custom, US Manufactured ($3K/frameset)
Off the shelf, US Manufactured ($2K/frameset)
Off the shelf, Taiwan Manufactured ($1K/frameset)

I'm not saying outsource everything, but maybe for a new design (or even the bullet) that it is designed to be more mass market and with less custom options could be sent somewhere (preferably somewhere with respectable human rights, labor laws and copyright protection (although the latter never stops some companies from copying cough cough). Kinda like the evolution of quick ship to the next level.

If you do outsource you can even charge a different price for it. People choose what's important to them and pay appropriately. I still think custom stuff needs to go up in price, because it's something unique to CL, but you don't want it so affordable that you can't meet demand and have to shut it down for 80% of the year. Quickship could stay where it is price wise, and maybe a case like the bullet that has potential to be high volume could at least have parts outsourced even if it's only to a different manufacturer in the US.

All along CL has been charging very fair prices with minimal profit. That's nice and was good when cases were a side business but I think it has to change. Increasing prices will increase profit and allow for more investment in manufacturing/staff etc. It also opens up more options for a lower tier of cases. It also reduces demand which while there is a bottleneck might be a good thing. Is it better to have fewer happier customers and a better reputation or more customers who are annoyed that their case took 3 months?
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2xX25-E Raid 0, 1xC300 128GB, + Mechanicals DT 5Noz, EK full cover GPU blocks, EK full cove... RHEL 5.5 WS Dell U3011 + 2005WFP Portrait 
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AX1200 CaseLabs TX10-D + Pedestal Razer DeathAdder 
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3930K@4.8 Rampage IV Extreme GTX580 3GB Tri SLI, GTX460 FizzyX 16GB Samsung SuperOverclockingTiny DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 DT 5Noz, Koolance Full Cover GPU blocks, EK ful... Win 7 64 bit Pro Dell U3011 + 2005WFP 
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EVGA NEX1500 CaseLabs TX10-D + Pedestal Logitech G5 Razer Goliathus 
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Asus Essence One 
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i7-3930k @ 4.?GHz Rampage IV Extreme 2x 8800GT 32GB Dominator GT 2133 CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
2xX25-E Raid 0, 1xC300 128GB, + Mechanicals DT 5Noz, EK full cover GPU blocks, EK full cove... RHEL 5.5 WS Dell U3011 + 2005WFP Portrait 
PowerCaseMouse
AX1200 CaseLabs TX10-D + Pedestal Razer DeathAdder 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3930K@4.8 Rampage IV Extreme GTX580 3GB Tri SLI, GTX460 FizzyX 16GB Samsung SuperOverclockingTiny DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 DT 5Noz, Koolance Full Cover GPU blocks, EK ful... Win 7 64 bit Pro Dell U3011 + 2005WFP 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA NEX1500 CaseLabs TX10-D + Pedestal Logitech G5 Razer Goliathus 
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Asus Essence One 
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Although I don't agree 100% very well said and very good points imo
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AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
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R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
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ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
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Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
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8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
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F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
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Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
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Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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USS CLM8-1701
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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