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I have set up a coinbase account. I would like to purchase bitcoins in order to buy items from overseas. I do not want my bank account linked in any way to my coinbase account.

Is there a way to purchase bitcoins safely with a credit card? Then I can transfer them to to coinbase account and remit payment.


At least I think that's the way it works redface.gif

For a new public method of currency I have to say it is very confusing. I actually do not know a single person that uses bitcoin. However there are plenty of overseas companies that take it as payment rather than credit card. I feel safer using my card to buy the bitcoins as I have the backing of the credit card company in the event there is some type of fraud (plus I have a second card with a very low limit, minimal risk).


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Lol someones doing some shopping on SilkRoad tongue.gif

There may be a way to buy some other form of currency with your ccard first, and then use that to buy the bitCoins. If you are trying to hide your trail, I'd try to introduce as many different services that do not have any affiliation with eachother in between the money leaving your card and the bitcoins being purchased.

You might start with something like a new paypal account, and then use some online money ex changers to change currency and push the money through another institution.
Basically, if someone is trying to backtrace your purchase, the more services they have to deal with and get warrants etc to get your details to find the next hop in the process, the more chance you have of not being tracked.

Then again, I guess it depends on what you are buying!! Maybe reconsider doing the sort of online shopping where you need to conceal your identity.
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Is there a way to purchase bitcoins safely with a credit card? Then I can transfer them to to coinbase account and remit payment.

Essentially no major exchange sells BTC via reversible methods because BTC transactions themselves are not reversible and laws against BTC theft are often vague or unenforceable.
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For a new public method of currency I have to say it is very confusing.

Bitcoin wasn't designed around ease of use. It's more of a proof of concept that accumulated so much inertia that it's been able to remain the predominant cryptocurrency. It was the first, not the best, but being first and lacking truly crippling flaws has been more than enough so far.
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I actually do not know a single person that uses bitcoin. However there are plenty of overseas companies that take it as payment rather than credit card. I feel safer using my card to buy the bitcoins as I have the backing of the credit card company in the event there is some type of fraud (plus I have a second card with a very low limit, minimal risk).

I use Bitcoin and know several others that do as well, but Bitcoin is still pretty niche and mostly limited to the technically adept. Most people that favor it favor it for precisely the reasons you will have difficulty buying it with a credit card. Fewer middlemen, often lower fees, less of a paper trail, and no take backs. The very things that would lower risk for you will increase it for the other party.

Good exchanges are pretty reliable. In a post Mt.Gox world, they have to be. The odds of getting burned by one of the major exchanges is next to nil, but they don't want you to be able to take back your money once you have your BTC...and who can blame them?

As previously stated, there is no way to reverse a BTC transaction. Best you can do if someone tries to cheat you is prove that you did what you said you did, which is easy because every transaction becomes a permanent part of the block chain. If you have a record of your correspondence with someone, and they give you an address to send BTC to, anyone with access to the internet can demonstrate that the address received what it was sent by looking at the block chain. Document everything and you'll be pretty safe from anyone with a reputation to uphold.

Anyway, I can't help you get BTC directly with a credit card, but there are plenty of ways to find people selling BTC for cash and you could simply do a face to face transaction with them, as you would for any other local purchase of a commodity. If you are super paranoid, record the whole thing (with the other party's consent), so you have proof of breach of contract if someone takes your money without having delivered the goods.

Or you could just use a bank and a reputable BTC exchange.
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Basically, if someone is trying to backtrace your purchase, the more services they have to deal with and get warrants etc to get your details to find the next hop in the process, the more chance you have of not being tracked.

Once you have your BTC you can do whatever you want with it. It's a relatively simple matter to take your laptop to a public wifi hotspot, connect to some public proxies or VPN and bounce the funds between a few different wallets before spiting it into a fresh one, then only using that wallet in an untraceable/uncorroborated manner. People will be able to tell that you had some portion of those BTC at one point, but it will be very easy to claim you spent them, or donated them, or had them stolen long before they actually left your own wallets.

Every transaction is tracked, perfectly, but without corroborating records (which you simply omit/avoid when transferring to yourself), the addresses are meaningless.
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I have found ATM Bitcoin machines in my area. Apparently I can plug cash into them and receive bitcoins in return.

How do you pay for something with this method.

And btw thanks for the info!
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I have found ATM Bitcoin machines in my area. Apparently I can plug cash into them and receive bitcoins in return.

How do you pay for something with this method.

And btw thanks for the info!

I've never used a Bitcoin ATM/kiosk, but the one's I've seen print out a transaction on a qr code that you scan into wallet software with your phone, or let you scan an address into the machine itself.

https://coinatmradar.com/blog/how-to-buy-bitcoins-with-bitcoin-atm/

Also, be careful about the fees and exchange rates they advertise.
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Ah so the Coinbase wallet account I set up, I purchase the bitcoin, get a printout with a QR code, scan it with my phone and the bitcoins are transferred into my account?
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Ah so the Coinbase wallet account I set up, I purchase the bitcoin, get a printout with a QR code, scan it with my phone and the bitcoins are transferred into my account?

If you do it in that order, it would technically be a new wallet, which you could probably add to Coinbase, but since I don't use any online wallets (I run the full client software and manage my own wallets offline) and haven't personally used any Bitcoin kiosks, I can't really go into detail about that process.

From what I gather the simplest approach would be to use the Coinbase wallet app to generate an address, display that address, and show it's QR code to the Bitcoin kiosk (or manually type in the address), then put in your cash and have the Kiosk send BTC to the address you entered.
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i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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