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no I think its more then the 1080/1070 if you get playback or stutter issues

but if you are convinced then dont wait for the driver and just swap to another card or stop using Pascal
alright

If you are getting playback issues this is because your DPC latency is out of control, Audio/Video playback is especially sensitive to DPC timings, you will have problems with Audio, especially at higher frequencies and bit rates if you have DPC latency issues, it's just that simple.

And what other card should I swap to? There's nothing else on this performance bracket, don't know about you but if I'm going to pay premium for a card I will demand for a premium experience, nothing less.
post #102 of 1679
if you are convinced that its the cards fault then get rid of it wink.gif

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And what other card should I swap to? There's nothing else on this performance bracket
OCed 980Ti or OCed Titan X or even Fury X

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If you are getting playback issues this is because your DPC latency is out of control, Audio/Video playback is especially sensitive to DPC timings, you will have problems with Audio, especially at higher frequencies and bit rates if you have DPC latency issues, it's just that simple.
those isues can have a million reasons on any individual system, so nothing is that simple
Edited by ChevChelios - 7/12/16 at 4:27pm
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Also I will add if it matters I use a add in sound card and not the mother board sound chip.
I noticed lots of users on the nvidia forum with this problem are using their onboard sound chip.
I run a sound blaster z.
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post #104 of 1679
I use onboard audio and my mobo is pretty cheap and old too

no issues
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post #105 of 1679
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Nice results, still higher than my 290X but it is well within range.

Anyone else with a GTX 1070 G1 Gigabyte? The G1 is the card giving me these issues.

I haven't seen any MSI 1070 Gaming X be affected by this yet, I might even send this one back for an MSI 1070 if Nvidia doesn't fix this mess before EOW.
Stop white knighting Nvidia.

The issue have been confirmed, there's no use on smokescreening this problem, high DPC latency is what cause trouble with Audio/Video playback and games microstuttering, not the other way around.

You can do simple things to confirm this, like swapping cards and the issue is gone, disabling your GTX 1070/1080 in device manager and the issue is gone, uninstalling Nvidia drivers and the issue is gone.

yes the nvidia thread on this issue 90% of the users corrected the problem by either switching their gpu to other than the new 1000 series or they disabled their 1080, so it is a problem with the new 1000 series.
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post #106 of 1679
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I use onboard audio and my mobo is pretty cheap and old too

no issues

yes I am running an old ASUS Sabertooth X58 with a i7 970 6 core cpu.
I have noticed even with older gpu's there seems to be more driver complaints with newer systems vs old.
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if you are convinced that its the cards fault then get rid of it wink.gif
OCed 980Ti or OCed Titan X or even Fury X
those isues can have a million reasons on any individual system, so nothing is that simple

I'm sorry that facts and tests are just not factual enough if they're not green colored, that's gotta limit your options a lot.

See, I have followed R0ach guide to optimize my PC for DPC latency, been doing it for my gaming PC for more than a year now, I know what causes DPC spikes and I have none of this, I don't even have Mouse drivers installed, Windows defender is disabled, all bloatware from Windows 10 is disabled, and this is a fresh system I re installed just for my GTX 1070.

Having said this I'm having this problem still, swapping my GTX 1070 for my 290X fixes it, disabling my 1070 in device manager fixes it, uninstalling Nvidia drivers fixes it but somehow you think it isn't the GTX 1070 even when Nvidia themselves said they easily found a system to replicate the problem.
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OCed 980Ti or OCed Titan X or even Fury X

Are you kidding me now? I'm going to pay more for a Titan X that consumes twice as much power for less performance than a 1070 and with no Overclock guaranty but a higher price and a big chance to get gimped along the way (No longer be optimized for newer games)? Or I'm going to go for a 4GB card that consumes almost twice as much power as the 1070 and have less performance in DX11, OCs for nothing and pay a higher price for a used unit?

That's a good one, I actually laughed.
Edited by Dargonplay - 7/12/16 at 4:34pm
post #108 of 1679
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I'm sorry that facts and tests are just not factual enough if they're not green colored, that's gotta limit your options a lot.

See, I have followed R0ach guide to optimize my PC for DPC latency, been doing it for my gaming PC for more than a year now, I know what causes DPC spikes and I have none of this, I don't even have Mouse drivers installed, Windows defender is disabled, all bloatware from Windows 10 is disabled, and this is a fresh system I re installed just for my GTX 1070.

Having said this I'm having this problem still, swapping my GTX 1070 for my 290X fixes it, disabling my 1070 in device manager fixes it, uninstalling Nvidia drivers fixes it but somehow you think it isn't the GTX 1070 even when Nvidia themselves said they easily found a system to replicate the problem.
Nvidia didnt state what problem they replicated - just increased idle latendy or actual audio/stutter problems or something else

or what they are aiming to fix

so why are you so sure they are even working on your specific set of issues or that the driver fix (if it ever comes) will fix your problem ?


and if its strictly cards fault then why isnt every single Pascal user on the planet also experiencing audio/playback/stutter issues ?


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Are you kidding me now? I'm going to pay more for a Titan X that consumes twice as much power for less performance than a 1070 and with no Overclock guaranty? Or I'm going to go for a 4GB card that consumes almost twice as much power as the 1070 and have less performance in DX11, OCs for nothing and pay a higher price for a used unit?

That's a good one, I actually laughed.
well according to some ppl, Fury X is the most future-proof of all, 4GB or no redface.gif

and what about 980Ti then ?
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Nvidia didnt state what problem they replicated - just increased idle latendy or actual audio/stutter problems or something else

You fail to understand that increased idle and load DPC latency cause audio issues and stuttering.
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well according to some ppl, Fury X is the most future-proof of all, 4GB or no redface.gif

and what about 980Ti then ?

Maybe it is, but even then I can't use a water cooled card on my Mini ITX RIG, it can only fit one radiator and I'm already cooling my 4790K.

The 980Ti is a No No for the reason stated in my previous post.
post #110 of 1679
It could be just an issue with Pascal and certain add in hardware or add in hardware driver and this could be why it isn't affecting every Pascal gpu.
Nvidia sure did find the issue fast but, did not yet explain what is causing it. smile.gif
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