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Originally Posted by Marctraider View Post

At this point I think it's futile to further theorize about possible causes tbh, by all means wait and see what happens if you can bring up the patience.
There are no custom 480s around here where I'm at. The first batches of even Nitro may arrive soon but probably September is where it's at for prices and availability of these 1060 and 480 cards to get decent. 1070s are everywhere. 980Ti... it's a good card but Maxwell isn't 100% immune either, just much less common or much less reported as high DPC latency when experiencing stutter or other oddities.
I certainly don't remember NV having so many issues with a new generation launch as there are with Paxwell.

I'm tempted to try a 1060 and return it if I get high DPC latency or stutter on my system. Problem is the stock is out and prices went up again.
post #1292 of 1679
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Originally Posted by bugsixx View Post

I have FINALY found a workaround for stuttering.

I have a 144hz monitor.

Downloaded the nvidia inspector profile and set global profile to limit FPS to max 60...... and it's butter smooth now.


Seems stuttering occurs with high FPS on a 144 hz monitor, but 60 fps constant is butter smooth.


My other nvidia settings are

vsync on and pre-rendered frames handled by 3dapplication

I solved my witcher 3 stutter by turning vsync off and play in borderless window mode, have a gtx 1080 and a 144hz gsync monitor.
post #1293 of 1679
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There are no custom 480s around here where I'm at. The first batches of even Nitro may arrive soon but probably September is where it's at for prices and availability of these 1060 and 480 cards to get decent. 1070s are everywhere. 980Ti... it's a good card but Maxwell isn't 100% immune either, just much less common or much less reported as high DPC latency when experiencing stutter or other oddities.
I certainly don't remember NV having so many issues with a new generation launch as there are with Paxwell.

I'm tempted to try a 1060 and return it if I get high DPC latency or stutter on my system. Problem is the stock is out and prices went up again.

You see, I remember the 970/980 having this stuff a while ago, so its not just Pascal. Just the drivers are garbage.
post #1294 of 1679
I'm so thrilled after just paying $650 for a GPU that stutters all the time. Can't believe this issue has not been sorted out yet by Nvidia.
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I've had literally 0 problems with my 1070 on 368.95 and 369.09.
The DPC rates around 500 at peak, but that never happens during active load, only when I start a game or during the very initial load.
I've never seen frame stutter's or had audio cracks skips pops or any issues.

If you're playing things like CSGO or other games where you're getting 200fps+ you should be using K-Boost or MSI Afterburners settings to lock your clocks and voltage at maximum anyways...
Push Ctrl+F and select a point on the graph and push L in MSI AB. You've now forced your card to perform at that clock speed and voltage regardless of load.
You can even save that to a profile and switch from it to default and back with the custom hotkey options.

If you weren't doing this with 900 Series, you were doing it wrong then too.
GPU Boost always dropped clocks and voltage down during CSGO and other lesser demanding games, that's nothing new.

It's also not completely their drivers, since not 100% of the people using the driver have the issue. Obviously there are other factors at play on the systems experiencing the issue.
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This is not an incident isolated to a small batch of people here. It's rather wide spread and can be seen over at various forums, especially the Nvidia ones.

#1 Nvidia has acknowledge publicly that Pascal has an issue with high DPC latency and that they are working on rectifying the problem.
#2 The stuttering is happening in games with 70 fps not just high FPS like 300+ in CS:GO
#3 The severity of the symptoms depends on the game
#4 The problem only started to occur for everyone once they replaced there older card to the new pascal one.

In the end this isn't the fault of the END USER doing something wrong. Rather it's entirely on the end of NVIDIA and people are literally returning there cards back for a refund since they have noticed that in the 2-3 months of Pascal's release the problem has not been fixed to a satisfactory level.
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I've had literally 0 problems with my 1070 on 368.95 and 369.09.
The DPC rates around 500 at peak, but that never happens during active load, only when I start a game or during the very initial load.
I've never seen frame stutter's or had audio cracks skips pops or any issues.

If you're playing things like CSGO or other games where you're getting 200fps+ you should be using K-Boost or MSI Afterburners settings to lock your clocks and voltage at maximum anyways...
Push Ctrl+F and select a point on the graph and push L in MSI AB. You've now forced your card to perform at that clock speed and voltage regardless of load.
You can even save that to a profile and switch from it to default and back with the custom hotkey options.

If you weren't doing this with 900 Series, you were doing it wrong then too.
GPU Boost always dropped clocks and voltage down during CSGO and other lesser demanding games, that's nothing new.

It's also not completely their drivers, since not 100% of the people using the driver have the issue. Obviously there are other factors at play on the systems experiencing the issue.

It is mostly the Nvidia drivers.
You are affected to, 500us is not a good thing. (Its playable though for most people)
That you dont notice it doesnt mean you dont have the same problem.

If you noticed high framerates to be less laggy in CSGO (144FPS to 200+FPS) then reducing that 500us latency might do more for you then upping framerate.
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Originally Posted by Noirgheos View Post

You see, I remember the 970/980 having this stuff a while ago, so its not just Pascal. Just the drivers are garbage.

Its going on for years really.
My NV drivers peak to about 120us, system total around 150us.
120us is alot for 1 driver.

Its a well known problem with NV drivers but is just since the 10xx series it went out of hand.
Another well known driver that produces a ton of latency is the TC/IP driver from MS.

On my 2nd PC with a 290x the AMD drivers peak to about 10us max but is mostly around 0 (Latencymon cant detect/measure it)
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On my 2nd PC with a 290x the AMD drivers peak to about 10us max but is mostly around 0 (Latencymon cant detect/measure it)
Can confirm. AMD drivers are very non-intrusive.

I wonder if the efficiency and performance of Nvidia cards (which is higher, both counts, than AMD's) is directly correlatable to DPC latency.
    
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new drivers didnt work.
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I'm so thrilled after just paying $650 for a GPU that stutters all the time. Can't believe this issue has not been sorted out yet by Nvidia.
What about a $1200+ Titan XP? lol
That's a proper screw over by NV. 200fps of a stutter mess.
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This is not an incident isolated to a small batch of people here. It's rather wide spread and can be seen over at various forums, especially the Nvidia ones.

#1 Nvidia has acknowledge publicly that Pascal has an issue with high DPC latency and that they are working on rectifying the problem.
#2 The stuttering is happening in games with 70 fps not just high FPS like 300+ in CS:GO
#3 The severity of the symptoms depends on the game
#4 The problem only started to occur for everyone once they replaced there older card to the new pascal one.

In the end this isn't the fault of the END USER doing something wrong. Rather it's entirely on the end of NVIDIA and people are literally returning there cards back for a refund since they have noticed that in the 2-3 months of Pascal's release the problem has not been fixed to a satisfactory level.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

It is mostly the Nvidia drivers.
You are affected to, 500us is not a good thing. (Its playable though for most people)
That you dont notice it doesnt mean you dont have the same problem.

If you noticed high framerates to be less laggy in CSGO (144FPS to 200+FPS) then reducing that 500us latency might do more for you then upping framerate.
Its going on for years really.
My NV drivers peak to about 120us, system total around 150us.
120us is alot for 1 driver.

Its a well known problem with NV drivers but is just since the 10xx series it went out of hand.
Another well known driver that produces a ton of latency is the TC/IP driver from MS.

On my 2nd PC with a 290x the AMD drivers peak to about 10us max but is mostly around 0 (Latencymon cant detect/measure it)
I can't confirm the AMD driver values but on Intel iGPU that MS network thingy is the highest for me.
The stutter from high DPC latency does affect people who play older games like CSGO when even at 200+fps the smoothness is simply not there at all, it has been reported here before where switching back to 290x solved the issue instantly.
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Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post

Can confirm. AMD drivers are very non-intrusive.

I wonder if the efficiency and performance of Nvidia cards (which is higher, both counts, than AMD's) is directly correlatable to DPC latency.
IMHO very unlikely. I bet NV, Intel or other high latency drivers simply try to do way too much work immediately instead of letting it run later when it doesn't block other programs.


BTW if someone gets periodic freezes which affects any NV GPU there is some registry hack on reddit/nvidia for it. Yet another NV specific never fixed bug from previous generations, an 8th now.
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