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I've had literally 0 problems with my 1070 on 368.95 and 369.09.
The DPC rates around 500 at peak, but that never happens during active load, only when I start a game or during the very initial load.
I've never seen frame stutter's or had audio cracks skips pops or any issues.

If you're playing things like CSGO or other games where you're getting 200fps+ you should be using K-Boost or MSI Afterburners settings to lock your clocks and voltage at maximum anyways...
Push Ctrl+F and select a point on the graph and push L in MSI AB. You've now forced your card to perform at that clock speed and voltage regardless of load.
You can even save that to a profile and switch from it to default and back with the custom hotkey options.

If you weren't doing this with 900 Series, you were doing it wrong then too.
GPU Boost always dropped clocks and voltage down during CSGO and other lesser demanding games, that's nothing new.

It's also not completely their drivers, since not 100% of the people using the driver have the issue. Obviously there are other factors at play on the systems experiencing the issue.

Actually that isn't accurate as for CS:GO. The only way that the GPU is downclocking is if you left your framerate locked to the game's default maximum FPS settings. I keep my FPS unlocked both in menu and in game so my GPU will always try to clock as high as my overclock is set to then drop maybe one step due to rising temperature.

As for this "new" driver. It did nothing at all to improve the frametime spiking that CS:GO shows both in menu or in game. I mean 18ms spikes just for idling in game menu seems a bit much. Soon as you're in game that becomes 20, 30, 40, 50ms spiking and I should not have to tell you what that translates to when your FPS is in the 250-400 ranges.
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I really wish AMD would hurry up and release the RX 490...
post #1313 of 1679
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Originally Posted by xer0h0ur View Post

Actually that isn't accurate as for CS:GO. The only way that the GPU is downclocking is if you left your framerate locked to the game's default maximum FPS settings. I keep my FPS unlocked both in menu and in game so my GPU will always try to clock as high as my overclock is set to then drop maybe one step due to rising temperature.

As for this "new" driver. It did nothing at all to improve the frametime spiking that CS:GO shows both in menu or in game. I mean 18ms spikes just for idling in game menu seems a bit much. Soon as you're in game that becomes 20, 30, 40, 50ms spiking and I should not have to tell you what that translates to when your FPS is in the 250-400 ranges.

Sorry to hear this so its still as bad as the old driver then ....does this happen in any other games or is it just CS..

another problem that as arisen with driver 374.52 is up scaling of video streams in fire fox was fine before the driver update so they seem to solve some issues only for others to appear frown.gif





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Sorry to hear this so its still as bad as the old driver then ....does this happen in any other games or is it just CS..

another problem that as arisen with driver 374.52 is up scaling of video streams in fire fox was fine before the driver update so they seem to solve some issues only for others to appear frown.gif






I tired to play Mirrors edge Catalyst for example. It's ultra smooth for 3 sec then stutters rinse and repeat. Just wreaks the experience and now I have to have blind faith that Nvidia will eventually resolve this issue. I have 10 days left to return my card back to the store I purchased it from and I'm seriously considering it. 3 months and still no proper fix from Nvidia makes me extremely worried and the time frame this issue has lingered on for causes me to have a serious lack of confidence in there ability to fix the issue.
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I tired to play Mirrors edge Catalyst for example. It's ultra smooth for 3 sec then stutters rinse and repeat. Just wreaks the experience and now I have to have blind faith that Nvidia will eventually resolve this issue. I have 10 days left to return my card back to the store I purchased it from and I'm seriously considering it. 3 months and still no proper fix from Nvidia makes me extremely worried and the time frame this issue has lingered on for causes me to have a serious lack of confidence in there ability to fix the issue.

My advise would be to send it back while you can get a fill gap card then if its ever fixed you can then decide or have the option at least to buy again and more likly be cheaper then and may even be a free game bundle.....

I hate to say it as a builder and i dislike any returns ect but as you have the choice i would if i was in your shoes

Like i said in my previous posts i have to think twice now of using any 10 card in a build now even advised and sold 900 's to some customers because of all this ...the simple fact is all of the 10 series have issues depending on the build chip set ect some worse than others in any builds while any 900 works fine ....Hell even my free Intel igp is working better at this moment with some video streams than the nvidia £600+ card ....

I mean what is the graphics card suppose to do it as one job to do display graphics of cause yes i know there is more sound ect but it seems at this point with nvidia can not even do this right
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My advise would be to send it back while you can get a fill gap card then if its ever fixed you can then decide or have the option at least to buy again and more likly be cheaper then and may even be a free game bundle.....

I hate to say it as a builder and i dislike any returns ect but as you have the choice i would if i was in your shoes

Like i said in my previous posts i have to think twice now of using any 10 card in a build now even advised and sold 900 's to some customers because of all this ...the simple fact is all of the 10 series have issues depending on the build chip set ect some worse than others in any builds while any 900 works fine ....Hell even my free Intel igp is working better at this moment with some video streams than the nvidia £600+ card ....

I mean what is the graphics card suppose to do it as one job to do display graphics of cause yes i know there is more sound ect but it seems at this point with nvidia can not even do this right

Sadly I agree with you. The odd's of Nvidia releasing a fix with 10 days is next to nill. Such as shame I will have to return this card plus end up paying the restocking fee.
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post #1317 of 1679
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Seeing these claims by users who say they do not notice the stutter or audio cracking but still register high DPC in LatencyMon, could the user be conditioned to it to not notice it the same way during 2012-13 AMD framepacing issues came to light but some users were still saying that they do not feel the stutters. Also, could tge use of G-Sync be hiding the problem of stuttering ?

To an extend yes, Gsync and vsync can both somewhat cover up some stutters,so does Vsync and prerendered default (3 usually)

The game feels butter smooth between the stuttering, compensating for the real spikes.

It could also 'intercept' a part of the stuttering period so it becomes less
noticable.

Most competitive players all play with prerendered at 1, definately no vsync, and only gsync with in-game fps cap to minimize input latency.
And this should be butter smootb, except when some crapppy game engine has some small microstutter but even that is more tolerable than Pascal's crap.
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Sadly I agree with you. The odd's of Nvidia releasing a fix with 10 days is next to nill. Such as shame I will have to return this card plus end up paying the restocking fee.

Well by law you have every right to send it back in the given DSR not sure where your based
But re restocking fee ..you should not have to pay that for a product that is not working as intended the most you should pay is the return postage and then i would be a little miffed paying that too

this whole restocking fee thing is to put off returns and was created by the retailer as a means to make claw back money .
post #1319 of 1679
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Originally Posted by Nightingale View Post

I tired to play Mirrors edge Catalyst for example. It's ultra smooth for 3 sec then stutters rinse and repeat. Just wreaks the experience and now I have to have blind faith that Nvidia will eventually resolve this issue. I have 10 days left to return my card back to the store I purchased it from and I'm seriously considering it. 3 months and still no proper fix from Nvidia makes me extremely worried and the time frame this issue has lingered on for causes me to have a serious lack of confidence in there ability to fix the issue.

If I was allowed to cuss on this forum I would add a few choice expletives to this statement but in short, send it the hell back from whence it came. I bought mine long ago and don't have that option anymore. I seriously regret buying this piece of garbage.

As for your question Harney, I do not experience this stuttering so far in any other games I am currently playing. Dying Light was fine, Dirt Rally was fine, Postal 2 was fine, Thief was fine, Rust was fine, and I keep forgetting to install a frame limiter into Skyrim to try that game again but I don't experience this on anything else. As mentioned before its killing my CSGO competitive experience. I have already gone 2+ months without being able to play with any consistency and I have become quite pedestrian at the game now. My gamesense is devolving because I am not getting any practice or repetition in.

I had been avoiding removing the 1080 and putting the 290X back into the rig since they are waterblocked and that would involve a loop drain. At this point I don't even care about that anymore. I am going to try two things on my next day off, Friday. First I will swap out the motherboard and re-test performance. If that doesn't do anything, which I doubt it will, then I will just drain the loop and put the 290X back in. I am reaching the point of cutting my losses and selling this piece of garbage at a loss. The only problem with that is what is stopping my buyer from having the same problems then claiming I sold them a broken card? I feel like I am royally effed.
post #1320 of 1679
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Originally Posted by xer0h0ur View Post

If I was allowed to cuss on this forum I would add a few choice expletives to this statement but in short, send it the hell back from whence it came. I bought mine long ago and don't have that option anymore. I seriously regret buying this piece of garbage.

As for your question Harney, I do not experience this stuttering so far in any other games I am currently playing. Dying Light was fine, Dirt Rally was fine, Postal 2 was fine, Thief was fine, Rust was fine, and I keep forgetting to install a frame limiter into Skyrim to try that game again but I don't experience this on anything else. As mentioned before its killing my CSGO competitive experience. I have already gone 2+ months without being able to play with any consistency and I have become quite pedestrian at the game now. My gamesense is devolving because I am not getting any practice or repetition in.

I had been avoiding removing the 1080 and putting the 290X back into the rig since they are waterblocked and that would involve a loop drain. At this point I don't even care about that anymore. I am going to try two things on my next day off, Friday. First I will swap out the motherboard and re-test performance. If that doesn't do anything, which I doubt it will, then I will just drain the loop and put the 290X back in. I am reaching the point of cutting my losses and selling this piece of garbage at a loss. The only problem with that is what is stopping my buyer from having the same problems then claiming I sold them a broken card? I feel like I am royally effed.

Some one else having issues with CSgo maybe some useful info not much but owt better than nowt

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/957568/geforce-drivers/official-372-54-game-ready-whql-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-8-15-16-/22/
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