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Originally Posted by Farih View Post

I did read the thread and saw your claims, just not any actual proof.
I can say many things to.

My overclocked 290x is faster in games then my 980ti OC..... believe me ?
My FX6300 outperforms my 4790K with ease.... believe me ?

Saying things is different then proving things.

With a screenshot you can actually proof things, i dont mean a 10second run of Latency MON offcourse but proper runs of 5+ minutes.
Show us the 1080 idle, heavy load and YouTube video latency results.

I only ask because i see many heated discussion with you (not only because of you, dont worry)
With proof you can make them all shut up, me included wink.gif
^ the "heated discussions" dont have anything to do with latency readings, its just more of AMD vs Nvidia and AMD vs Nvidia is never ever going to stop

and I think my word is good enough here, especially when it isnt contradictive of anything

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With proof you can make them all shut up, me included
so when you see a hypothetical screenshot which shows a high idle latency on my 1080 (just as this thread already states and just as I already said), you will shut up .. about what exactly ? redface.gif

its irrelevant




I will say though that I have High Performance set in Windows Power Options (this likely does affect latency both for those who have an issue with Pascal and overall), but Ive always had it at that


edit: found another guy (from Nvidia forums - https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941579/geforce-1000-series/gtx-1080-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering/post/4928849/#4928849 ) with seemingly similar situation:
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3 situations here
1. leaving everything as it is (balanced power in windows) - huge idle spikes up to 3000us
2. switch to high performance in windows - idle - max 550us
3. under 3D - max 30-50us
Using MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X with latest drivers
i7 6700K
no audio/game stuttering issues

Edited by ChevChelios - 7/18/16 at 5:57am
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^ the "heated discussions" dont have anything to do with latency readings, its just more of AMD vs Nvidia and AMD vs Nvidia is never ever going to stop

and I think my word is good enough here, especially when it isnt contradictive of anything
so when you see a hypothetical screenshot which shows a high idle latency on my 1080 (just as this thread already states and just as I already said), you will shut up .. about what exactly ? redface.gif

its irrelevant

Your sadly right in the AMD/Nvidia flame wars never going away frown.gif

If you want to keep it with your words fine but then dont expect everyone to believe you.
You not willing to spend 10~15min on this makes up my mind attleast.

With me shutting up i mean if you showed proof then people asking for this (questioning you) will shut up, stop asking you for it and actually believe you.

Yes you can fake screenshots but you can also make them so that everyone know's there genuine.

Its not irrelevant, attleast not to you and me.. Thats why we are both in this thread.. you more then me even.
NV latency problem is very relevant to me and many others, if you dont have problems showing proof could maybe help us all... (why/how is your system doing better and can we get that to)
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^ the "heated discussions" dont have anything to do with latency readings, its just more of AMD vs Nvidia and AMD vs Nvidia is never ever going to stop

and I think my word is good enough here, especially when it isnt contradictive of anything
so when you see a hypothetical screenshot which shows a high idle latency on my 1080 (just as this thread already states and just as I already said), you will shut up .. about what exactly ? redface.gif

its irrelevant

TBH

i am sick to the teeth of this fan boy crap its far from that ...sick of them using it as ammo ect

i find it all rather childish


the problems are clear well for me that is


as i have now tested 5 x 10 series cards in 4 separate pc's all showing the same issue 's
like i said many time's before as soon as i place the 980ti in any of them the problem is gone
all so to add tested with amd 480 970 & 660 no problem as soon as a 10 series cards gets anywhere near the pci e slot it go's to s**t

Trying so hard not to RANT smile.gif
post #414 of 1679
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Your sadly right in the AMD/Nvidia flame wars never going away frown.gif

If you want to keep it with your words fine but then dont expect everyone to believe you.
You not willing to spend 10~15min on this makes up my mind attleast.

With me shutting up i mean if you showed proof then people asking for this (questioning you) will shut up, stop asking you for it and actually believe you.

Yes you can fake screenshots but you can also make them so that everyone know's there genuine.

Its not irrelevant, attleast not to you and me.. Thats why we are both in this thread.. you more then me even.
NV latency problem is very relevant to me and many others, if you dont have problems showing proof could maybe help us all... (why/how is your system doing better and can we get that to)

Agree i would like to know how Chev's pc is showing ok results on power saving with power states on
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NV latency problem is very relevant to me and many others, if you dont have problems showing proof could maybe help us all... (why/how is your system doing better and can we get that to)
I do have latency "problems" (aka my idle latency isnt 30-50), I dont have audio or stutter problems

Do you expect me to prove that too ? Record my gaming or media usage and post video somewhere ? Sorry thats not going to happen redface.gif



As for why - too many factors in a system, but the common things seem to be:

- the less stuff running in the background - the better .. bare bones = win
- set High Performance in Windows Power Options
- disable either all CPU power savings in BIOS (this is likely excessive) or at least disable C6/C7 states

- a lot of people said the mobo model/brand can affect this .. not much to be done there short of changing to a new mobo

- changing from Optimal Power/Adaptive to Max Performance in NVCP may also help, though Im not sure, its only supposed to make a differnce in 3D apps ?
Edited by ChevChelios - 7/18/16 at 6:04am
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I do have latency "problems" (aka my idle latency isnt 30-50), I dont have audio or stutter problems

Do you expect me to prove that too ? Record my gaming or media usage and post video somewhere ? Sorry thats not going to happen redface.gif



As for why - too many factors in a system, but the common things seem to be:

- the less stuff running in the background - the better .. bare bones = win
- set High Performance in Windows Power Options
- disable either all CPU power savings in BIOS (this is likely excessive) or at least disable C6/C7 states

- a lot of people said the mobo model/brand can affect this .. not much to be done there sroft of changing to a new mobo

Lets not get heated please ...

I would like to see what you get with the dpc in a photo if that's ok
np if you do not want too that is your choice
just be good for me personally as reference why your is lower ect what parts you have that i do not ect

Yes i have tried clean installs with total strip of things running ect one install went way beyond stripping just to test no joy
Edited by harney - 7/18/16 at 6:08am
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@ChevChelios
"Record my media and post it on the internet. Not going to happen."

Just for once post a proof. We dont even know your system and this is a real problem !

I was expected that kind of answer from you tbh

Dont ask why people call you a troll.
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I do have latency "problems" (aka my idle latency isnt 30-50), I dont have audio or stutter problems

Do you expect me to prove that too ? Record my gaming or media usage and post video somewhere ? Sorry thats not going to happen redface.gif



As for why - too many factors in a system, but the common things seem to be:

- the less stuff running in the background - the better .. bare bones = win
- set High Performance in Windows Power Options
- disable either all CPU power savings in BIOS (this is likely excessive) or at least disable C6/C7 states

- a lot of people said the mobo model/brand can affect this .. not much to be done there sroft of changing to a new mobo

No you dont have to record any gaming.
If DPC graphs show 30-50ms latency then offcourse you wont have audio dropouts due to latency.
But again its just you saying it, we have not seen any graph from you.
You have any idea how low 30~50us latency is on a Nvidia system ? its almost unheard of lol.

Just saying that screenshots will back you up, words in a threat dont.

If you want to keep it at that its fine, i wont bring it up anymore.
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Lets not get heated please ...

I would like to see what you get with the dpc in a photo if that's ok
np if you do not want too that is your choice
just be good for me personally as reference why your is lower ect what parts you have that i do not ect

Yes i have tried clean installs with total strip of things running ect one install went way beyond stripping just to test no joy

Thats why i ask, maybe we could all learn from it + it also keeps others of his own back.
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I do have latency "problems" (aka my idle latency isnt 30-50), I dont have audio or stutter problems

Do you expect me to prove that too ? Record my gaming or media usage and post video somewhere ? Sorry thats not going to happen redface.gif



As for why - too many factors in a system, but the common things seem to be:

- the less stuff running in the background - the better .. bare bones = win
- set High Performance in Windows Power Options
- disable either all CPU power savings in BIOS (this is likely excessive) or at least disable C6/C7 states

- a lot of people said the mobo model/brand can affect this .. not much to be done there sroft of changing to a new mobo

Non owner.

I find it ridiculous that you cant spend 5 mins confirming what you are loudly proclaiming.

I will just straight say it,you dont have one and you are overcompensating....not even a cam phone pic of it sitting there looking magnificent?
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I would like to see what you get with the dpc in a photo if that's ok
np if you do not want too that is your choice
just be good for me personally as reference what parts you have ect
I really dont see what it matters - if you dont trust me about my latency readings without proof then why would you trust me if I give you a SS with a high latency and then say that it isnt causing any issues ?

either way Im at work right now, not at home



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- 3770K (C6 disabled)
- GB G1 Gaming 1080 (368.39 IIRC)
- Win10 x64 Pro, High Performance in Power Options

the only real background process running outside of Windows stuff, is the Roccat software for the mouse
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