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Mirror's Edge Catalyst is actually quite optimized for nVidia, and yet the GTX 970 has issues there due to its memory. Shadow of Mordor is also one of the most optimized PC games released in recent times, and there the GTX 970 also suffers. I bet there are more games, but when nVidia is failing, the internet is extremely modest about it, unlike with AMD.

I mean right now people are complaining about the $270 price point of the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 8GB compared to AIB GTX 1060 prices, despite it being dual bios, having easily removable fans, having an LED light that you can switch colors of, a great backplate and 8GB, none of which any GTX 1060 AIBs have... The power consumption is also a complaint on the RX 480 overall, despite this;

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Man you know how internet works and what effects disinformation has on a average user, AMD being crucified is part of this, of course they shouldn't be doing the mistakes they do in their situation, so if something comes up it's amplified by 10 times, still the problems they have are not jokes, surely stuff that would disapper with AIBs but still, AMD already has a bad reputation for old and recent stuff, with such things it's only worse for them. Nvidia on the other hand is fcking ridiculous, 80% market share and still struggling to do better than AMD, and still with the same stupid stuff in play such as higher prices (we reached ridiculous retarded prices with 10xx and titans were always jokes), but i feel like too many red-knights are growing and born recently, remember both nvidia and amd are multinationals, and their interests is money, so they both use shtty methods to do that, one might appear worse than the other but it's not like that, i'm sure that if we were in the opposite situation we'd have the same scenario with just the sides swapped.
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Mirror's Edge Hyper settings says hi. And so does Shadow of Mordor. And there's a 4GB RX 480 version available, which is still superior to the 3.5GB. And it actually gets a boost under Vulkan. And it can actually do async compute. And a bunch of other stuff that makes choosing a GTX 970 over an RX 480 extremely stupid.
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Man you know how internet works and what effects disinformation has on a average user, AMD being crucified is part of this, of course they shouldn't be doing the mistakes they do in their situation, so if something comes up it's amplified by 10 times, still the problems they have are not jokes, surely stuff that would disapper with AIBs but still, AMD already has a bad reputation for old and recent stuff, with such things it's only worse for them. Nvidia on the other hand is fcking ridiculous, 80% market share and still struggling to do better than AMD, and still with the same stupid stuff in play such as higher prices (we reached ridiculous retarded prices with 10xx and titans were always jokes), but i feel like too many red-knights are growing and born recently, remember both nvidia and amd are multinationals, and their interests is money, so they both use shtty methods to do that, one might appear worse than the other but it's not like that, i'm sure that if we were in the opposite situation we'd have the same scenario with just the sides swapped.

Nvidia is not struggling to do "better" than AMD.

The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day:

- The 1060 is currently faster than the RX 480 in the majority of games. The percentage of the lead can be left to interpretation.
- AIB vs AIB, the 1060 actually costs the same as the RX 480 (in some cases, even cheaper)
- The 1060 operates at a lower power draw. Again, the extent of this will differ from application to application (the graph shown above doesn't paint the whole picture, as it only takes the wattage into account, but doesn't show the performance hit the card takes when using that profile. It doesn't mention that the 1060 generally outperforms the 480 by about 25% in ANNO 2205)

The only saving grace in the RX 480's favor is DX12/Vulkan.

And that is the reason (aside from my just not liking Nvidia as a company these days) I will still be getting the RX 480 or 90, depending on its price.
post #493 of 860
Looks like the first card I'll be buying new in more than 5 years! Very good performance for $.At 220 for the 4Gb version, 20$ extra for the cooler and backplate alone is well worth it as is 270 for the big brother version and those coolers look shekshy!! Ought to look great in a Lian Li PC-o5!
As with past x60 cards, the 1060 will loose its teeth pretty soon compared to its red counterpart, which is why I would never even consider a x60 card.
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Nvidia is not struggling to do "better" than AMD.

The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day:

- The 1060 is currently faster than the RX 480 in the majority of games. The percentage of the lead can be left to interpretation.
- AIB vs AIB, the 1060 actually costs the same as the RX 480 (in some cases, even cheaper)
- The 1060 operates at a lower power draw. Again, the extent of this will differ from application to application (the graph shown above doesn't paint the whole picture, as it only takes the wattage into account, but doesn't show the performance hit the card takes when using that profile. It doesn't mention that the 1060 generally outperforms the 480 by about 25% in ANNO 2205)

The only saving grace in the RX 480's favor is DX12/Vulkan.

And that is the reason (aside from my just not liking Nvidia as a company these days) I will still be getting the RX 480 or 90, depending on its price.

Honestly doing only a mere 5 to 10% more (10 in rare cases) is struggling, and for roughly the same (often higher) price, just confirms that, and man DX12/Vulkan isn't a joke, it's the future, DX11 can't keep going on for more than 1-2 years, so that's a big part actually, all this with fking 80% of market share over amd's 19-20%, Anyway my last 2 cards were nvidia (2 cards in 10 years, both great cards) but seeing as their prices are growing i just hope vega will sht on pascal, at least for the prices (i'd probably end up buy amd anyway, since i'd like to try the other side)
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The only saving grace in the RX 480's favor is DX12/Vulkan.
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There are other saving graces. The 480 in a 4 GB model is more cost effective than the 1060 and still has similar performance to the 8GB 480 model. Making it near perfect 1080P gaming offering.

Also there is free sync. Go out right now and buy a 1080P freesync monitor and 480 4G, will cost you about $450 and give an amazing, smooth gaming experience. Not take that same $450 and show me an NVidia offering, of monitor and video card that can match the pure overall gaming experience of the AMD offering. There is none.
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Cheap 480's = reference. We know the prices there.

The cheapest 1060 will perform just like the expensive one. That's Pascal for you.

"Amd aib cards should be cheaper because can get 1060 for $250" is basically what I was replying to.

Nitro+ isn't a cheapo card. Compare it to an evga ftw type card, not a zotac mini. Cheaper aib 480s will come out. They will likely give nearly identical performance to the higher priced 480s as well, but without bells and whistles (back plate, dual bios, etc)
post #497 of 860
True that, I just bought a Samsung pls freesync monitor and managed to increase the freesync range. My last monitor that is now my secondary monitor I have overclocked it to 75 Hz with the Crimson driver. That's AMD in a nutshell, you always get free stuff if you know how.
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Increase power level to 50%.. The card is power starved. It won't reflect clock speeds with out a boost in power. Also, use The Stilts embd mod. It can be found in the Rx 480 bios mod thread. It defaults power level to 165%. You won't see any gains without altering the power level%

Everyone thinks that just by moving sliders magic will happen... It's not that simple.

You're confusing your terminology. There is no 'power level'.

One might say that raising the voltage increases the 'level' aka 'amount' of power to the chip, and which in turn increases (to a point) how high you can set clocks and still be stable.

But if the card were 'power starved', to use your terms, it would crash the driver or freeze the machine due to instability.

The issue you're describing is related to the Power LIMIT not being high enough.

Raising the voltage and clocks increases total power draw, but the card has a power limit i.e. how much power it's allowed to draw total, which can be exceeded when adding voltage and increasing clocks.

This is why there's throttling/downclocking, to avoid going over the card's power limit.

But such throttling SHOULD be able to be 'seen' in the graphs of Afterburner and the like. If there's no visible downclocking happening in the graphs, and there's still not much improvement when OC'ing, it's unlikely that increasing the power level is going to make that OC any more effective.

Unless new AMD cards have some sort of secret/invisible throttling mechanism going on that I'm not aware of (been a year or so since I've really been looking into new tech).
    
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At this point, the foolish rumors of 1500-1600mhz overclock's should be put to rest along with the fools(cough, cough, ssjmajineric) who propagated such none-sense.

1350-1450mhz is definitely the range that rx480 overclock to even with partner cards. And 1450mhz stable for 24/7 gaming is a golden card.
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You're confusing your terminology. There is no 'power level'.

One might say that raising the voltage increases the 'level' aka 'amount' of power to the chip, and which in turn increases (to a point) how high you can set clocks and still be stable.

But if the card were 'power starved', to use your terms, it would crash the driver or freeze the machine due to instability.

The issue you're describing is related to the Power LIMIT not being high enough.

Raising the voltage and clocks increases total power draw, but the card has a power limit i.e. how much power it's allowed to draw total, which can be exceeded when adding voltage and increasing clocks.

This is why there's throttling/downclocking, to avoid going over the card's power limit.

But such throttling SHOULD be able to be 'seen' in the graphs of Afterburner and the like. If there's no visible downclocking happening in the graphs, and there's still not much improvement when OC'ing, it's unlikely that increasing the power level is going to make that OC any more effective.

Unless new AMD cards have some sort of secret/invisible throttling mechanism going on that I'm not aware of (been a year or so since I've really been looking into new tech).

The point is, almost no reviewers are upping the PL when overclocking. It makes sense in comparison to how Maxwell and Pascal OC; most reviewers get what they can without touching pl and voltage in the latest reviews, that's just not going to work with AMD or P10 in this specific case.
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