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These threads read no differently than the OG Titan vs 290X, 780, 780Ti, 960, 970, and 980 ones.. AMD are doomed, they can't compete etc., etc.

You guys are basing AMD's future competitiveness with Nvidia against a single chip (P10), it's apples and oranges (GF vs TSMC).. Pascal is a slightly refined Maxwell, it's TSMC's process that turned out to be vastly superior than Global Foundries current one, it isn't as simple as AMD vs Nvidia.

Even Hawaii on TSMC's process would be competitive with the 1070 in raw performance (obviously not perf-per-Watt). Vega will be a superior architecture to Hawaii and Fiji, and will be using the same process as Pascal, flagship GCN 4.0 running at 1700Mhz with or without HBM2 would be a pretty beastly chip..

The RX 480 (4GB) is objectively better than the 1060 form a price to performance point of view, it's going to gain performance like all AMD cards do in the next few months, and is built with DX12/Vulkan in mind.

AMD's biggest blunder imo is once again leaving their fate to GF.. But i guess they have no choice if they want to take the fight to Intel, doesn't really have anything to do with Nvidia.

Some of the comments about AMD selling their GPU division/ wanting them to go bankrupt wouldn't be to great for Nvidia I'm afraid. Either Nvidia would be facing the full weight of AMD, or they would end up competing with far more advanced and wealthy companies. I wonder how long Nvidia could survive the likes of Samsung or Intel? My guess is not as long as AMD has managed to. thumb.gif

Wait, you think the process AMD went with is the main reason for their issues?
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Damn, 40dB load in "quiet mode" and high watt usage..
Still wrong. Mafia 3 is DX11. Just to name one huge AAA title. It's mostly terrible Windows 10 Store exclusives that will get DX12, just to promote it and make people change to Windows 10. It brings nothing new to the table. Just like Gears of War DX12..

Games - people are playing - and will continue to play for a loong time, are DX11. AMD needs to fix their overhead and stop hoping DX12 / Vulkan will solve their problems over time. It will take years. Does AMD GPU owners have to suffer this long? A friend of mine with a 290X bought Fallout 4 on release, it ran terrible. Then he bought Doom, it ran terrible. It took weeks and months before these games ran good. This is AMDs big problem. They lack good performance on launch in the majority of games. Both games ran like a dream on Nvidia. Pretty much all games run good on Nvidia on release.

One that is loud or one with high dpc latency issue. biggrin.gif
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post #603 of 860
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One that is loud or one with high dpc latency issue. biggrin.gif

Hotfix has been out for a long time.

Not worse than 480's PCI-E power draw issue, which also got fixed pretty fast.
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Hotfix has been out for a long time.

Not worse than 480's PCI-E power draw issue, which also got fixed pretty fast.

Tell that to the member who is itching to go back to the 970 from a pascal even after the hotfix.
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Games - people are playing - and will continue to play for a loong time, are DX11. AMD needs to fix their overhead and stop hoping DX12 / Vulkan will solve their problems over time. It will take years. Does AMD GPU owners have to suffer this long? A friend of mine with a 290X bought Fallout 4 on release, it ran terrible. Then he bought Doom, it ran terrible. It took weeks and months before these games ran good. This is AMDs big problem. They lack good performance on launch in the majority of games. Both games ran like a dream on Nvidia. Pretty much all games run good on Nvidia on release.

They've been improving DirectX 11 performance for GCN cards for a significant time now, to the point where some (if not most) of them are outperforming their NVIDIA counterparts, which clearly wasn't the case at release.

Rumor has it that AMD is also working on a somewhat big update to their Crimson driver for the release of the Windows 10 Anniversary Patch (build 14393), so more improvements are on the way.
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Wait, you think the process AMD went with is the main reason for their issues?

Impossible to say, but according to actual engineers they seem to think so, or at least a big part of it.
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Tell that to the member who is itching to go back to the 970 from a pascal even after the hotfix.

I know several people using 1070 and 1080 right now, none of them are having issues or complain. I've seen a few Pascal cards in action myself, runs just fine.
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I know several people using 1070 and 1080 right now, none of them are having issues or complain. I've seen a few Pascal cards in action myself, runs just fine.

I can easily say the same thing but opposite. Fact is . . . it is still there, Does not matter if just handful are suffering. Sort of like a silicon lottery.
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post #609 of 860
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I know several people using 1070 and 1080 right now, none of them are having issues or complain. I've seen a few Pascal cards in action myself, runs just fine.

Go look in the main High DPC latency thread over at forums.geforce.com.

The hotfix improved things quite a bit, but a significant number of users are still reporting issues.
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Impossible to say, but according to actual engineers they seem to think so, or at least a big part of it.

At this point I'd like to believe it's both a process issue and a limitation of the GCN arch (from a hardware standpoint both maxwel and paxwel have a lot of hardware missing vs gcn).
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