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For those in stock prices you can buy a 2nd hand 980ti here, i think i would rather take that route then.
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In Anno 2205. In Witcher 3 1060 FE is only 2% faster than PowerColour 480 Silent mode, in Fallout 4 - 1060 is faster by 11%, in Far Cry Primal - by 7% and in BO3, 1060 is slower than 480 Silent by 14%.

As i understand, ComputerBase uses Anno 2205 for power consumption data instead of some benchmark, like the 3DMark one, because...well...it is an actual game.

You didn't quite get the whole discussion. I'm not claiming the 1060 is 38% faster overall. My point was that to use specifically the Anno 2205 for power consumption numbers and then not use the specific performance numbers for that game, in stead quoting the overall index for performance, seems like cherry-picking two separate measurements, putting them together and making universal perf/W claims based on a flawed method.
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You didn't quite get the whole discussion. I'm not claiming the 1060 is 38% faster overall. My point was that to use specifically the Anno 2205 for power consumption numbers and then not use the specific performance numbers for that game, in stead quoting the overall index for performance, seems like cherry-picking two separate measurements, putting them together and making universal perf/W claims based on a flawed method.

i see where you are coming from, but to compare power consumption and gaming performance overall would require to collect consumption data for all games, which does not seem very feasible at the moment.

None of the reviews I've checked so far use multiple games to gather power consumption numbers and many still use Furmark, which i would not rely on a lot.

Not convinced that there is anything criminal in using 2205 consumption numbers and general gaming performance together. Tom's Hardware uses both Furmark and Metro Last Light benchmark at 4k for that, and so far no uproar against that smile.gif
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i see where you are coming from, but to compare power consumption and gaming performance overall would require to collect consumption data for all games, which does not seem very feasible at the moment.

None of the reviews I've checked so far use multiple games to gather power consumption numbers and many still use Furmark, which i would not rely on a lot.

Not convinced that there is anything criminal in using 2205 consumption numbers and general gaming performance together. Tom's Hardware uses both Furmark and Metro Last Light benchmark at 4k for that, and so far no uproar against that smile.gif

It is a common shortcoming of the reviews, not giving the complete power consumption picture. Anno 2205 for some reason is pretty much the most throttling-inducing game for Radeon cards, and the reason is clearly not that it takes full advantage of GCN since the performance sucks, too. In this case, the RX 480 Red Devil (silent BIOS) runs Anno at 1140-1150MHz (power throttling), while every other game runs at higher clocks. Now, if we take the power consumption numbers from the most power-throttled game and the performance numbers from the overall index, then we are in fact cherry-picking the most Radeon-friendly power consumption number and mixing it with a performance number that is achieved with higher-than-Anno2205 clock speeds.

Furmark would be even more useless, agreed there.

Edit: What one should take away from those Red Devil numbers is this: the RX 480 is pushed beyond its optimum clock range already with the reference model, not to mention these AIB uber cards. Not much headroom left with air cooling.
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Yeah, it's really desolate.

Current RX480/1060 prices are R9 Fury-like... I'll be hanging on to TeraScale until a real option is available.

Meh, a used 7970 or even 7950(or cheap Kepler) would be a whole lot better than a 6950, unless you really don't game much or stick to the same games. I ran a 6950 a few months ago and it was pretty rough. Not worth hanging on to at all.
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Meh, a used 7970 or even 7950(or cheap Kepler) would be a whole lot better than a 6950, unless you really don't game much or stick to the same games. I ran a 6950 a few months ago and it was pretty rough. Not worth hanging on to at all.

 

Reasoning as follows:

 

Games I play:

-Assetto Corsa

-GTA V

-Skyrim

-A whole load of indies (think MC, Hotline Miami series, that sort of thing)

-Some Fallout 4

-CSGO sometimes

 

All of them at 1080p run as good as I need them to run (40 FPS or above at medium or high detail).

 

There really is no reason for me to upgrade other than the lack of DX12 compatibility. So I'm hardly hard-pressed to spend any money.

 

I wanted a RX480 because it seemed like a good card to keep for some 4 years and that could somewhat take the hit when I get a 4K monitor for photo processing and such, but it came at 60€ more than I was expecting it.

 

The 1060 is nowhere to be found and still too expensive, so that's not really an option either.

 

Might wait for a bit until Vega and big Pascal drop to grab a cheap used 480 or 1060. Or maybe even a Vega if price os alright (I've completely scrapped any possibilities of big Pascal being anywhere near my budget).

   
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Current RX480/1060 prices are R9 Fury-like...

It's infuryating isn't it ?

Terrible jokes aside... I agree with you. I'm in the same graphics processing predicament.
Really wanted the RX 480 Nitro to be an amazing card, but after reading all the reviews,
it just seems pretty good... Is pretty good, good enough for the price though ? (~ €300 for the 8GB)
Another reason I was considering it is, because I want to get this LG monitor.

As far the 1060's are concerned I do like the look of the EVGA and the Zotac
(mainly because of the size) but I haven't seen much regarding availability and performance.
Finding it pretty hard to even consider an Nvidia card though,
because of a certain users incessant comments.
(You know who you are buddy, not doing a great job for the company)
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Yeah, it's really desolate.

Current RX480/1060 prices are R9 Fury-like... I'll be hanging on to TeraScale until a real option is available.
lol really ? it's impossible to find a r9 fury priced lower than 1070 here, rx480 is pretty much 2x cheaper.
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My customized reference 480 is looking to be a lot better investment than aib cards at this point. Sure, it doesn't look the best, but it's quieter, cooler, and 1415/2200 stable.
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It is a common shortcoming of the reviews, not giving the complete power consumption picture. Anno 2205 for some reason is pretty much the most throttling-inducing game for Radeon cards, and the reason is clearly not that it takes full advantage of GCN since the performance sucks, too. In this case, the RX 480 Red Devil (silent BIOS) runs Anno at 1140-1150MHz (power throttling), while every other game runs at higher clocks. Now, if we take the power consumption numbers from the most power-throttled game and the performance numbers from the overall index, then we are in fact cherry-picking the most Radeon-friendly power consumption number and mixing it with a performance number that is achieved with higher-than-Anno2205 clock speeds.

Furmark would be even more useless, agreed there.

Edit: What one should take away from those Red Devil numbers is this: the RX 480 is pushed beyond its optimum clock range already with the reference model, not to mention these AIB uber cards. Not much headroom left with air cooling.
Actually, if it's throttling more, it means it's most likely hitting the power target more. So unless it's throttling for some other reason, Anno 2205 should actually cause higher power consumption than games that throttle less.
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