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you ask me to prove it but my results don't count? troll harder please doh.gif
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you ask me to prove it but my results don't count? troll harder please doh.gif

I think the majority would suggest that he is not the one trolling.
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you ask me to prove it but my results don't count? troll harder please doh.gif

EL OH EL

You cannot be serious.

Setting aside the fact that different spots in the game get wildly different frames, you're also saying we should invalidate a review site's result because YOU (singular) got different results, without knowing any details on how Computerbase.de tested and got their results.

If you still think I'm trolling after this, consider this conversation done.
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I think the majority would suggest that he is not the one trolling.
half of posts in his almost 4000 post history are one line replies bashing Nvidia every chance he gets. yet he owns a 980ti. he seems like a masochistic troll, owning nvidia yet hating it with passion. man, internet is a strange place biggrin.gif
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half of posts in his almost 4000 post history are one line replies bashing Nvidia every chance he gets. yet he owns a 980ti. he seems like a masochistic troll, owning nvidia yet hating it with passion. man, internet is a strange place biggrin.gif

It's a product in a duopoly, and it was the fastest, most efficient part in its time. Fanboy is not a pre-requisite to ownership. You can also buy and use an Intel processor without having to give daily reach-arounds to Intel.
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half of posts in his almost 4000 post history are one line replies bashing Nvidia every chance he gets. yet he owns a 980ti. he seems like a masochistic troll, owning nvidia yet hating it with passion. man, internet is a strange place biggrin.gif

I do not think he is bashing nVIDIA. He is admitting to what his eyes are seeing rather than denying what he is seeing. That is an admirable trait.

As for me... I am not invalidating either result. I think they are likely both valid yet tested in different areas of the game and likely using different tools to capture the framerates.

We know two things...

1. computerbase tested the lava opening scene area which is quite demanding while the other result from Digital foundry was not in the same area. Performance varies wildly based on the area due to CPU usage and compute shader usage. Volcano is very hard on the GPU due to the compute shader effects whereas the indoor scenes tend to be hard on the CPU (especially when blowing up oil drums).
2. Both used the same CPU.

There is also this segment added by computerbase.de:
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Other systems show different results

As 12 already shown in the past when changing other games on the low-level API DirectX repeated the gains are highly dependent on the requirements of the selected scene and the system used. Examples deliver Tomb Raider , Hitman and Ashes of the Singularity .

Also in Doom other testers can certainly achieve considerable gains on graphics cards from Nvidia. Golem.de came on a not overclocked Core i7-6700K in another scene with the GeForce GTX 1080 in Full HD on a growth of 25 percent, a user Forum of 3DCenter.de with an AMD FX-8320e to a growth of nearly 50 percent on the GeForce GTX 970th

So yeah... both results are valid. Volcano was just one of the most demanding areas in the game and AMD seems to be able to eat it up when using Vulkan.
Edited by Mahigan - 7/14/16 at 10:29am
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The point of Vulkan and DX12 is removing the need of bloated drivers and day one patches to run games as intended. Both Nvidia and AMD complained about this in the past because developers kept their awful praxis to meet deadlines or achieve some effects.

This only shows how much Nvidia relies on its prowess delivering such fixes and the utter incompetence of AMD.

Nvidia is fine. By the time Vulkan/DX12 matters they will have a card able to fully take advantage of it and some gimmicks making theirs the better cards.

I'm sorry for AMD but these benches don't matter at all. A handful of games in the next two years doesn't make up for worse performance in all the other games.
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The point of Vulkan and DX12 is removing the need of bloated drivers and day one patches to run games as intended. Both Nvidia and AMD complained about this in the past because developers kept their awful praxis to meet deadlines or achieve some effects.

This only shows how much Nvidia relies on its prowess delivering such fixes and the utter incompetence of AMD.

Nvidia is fine. By the time Vulkan/DX12 matters they will have a card able to fully take advantage of it and some gimmicks making theirs the better cards.

I'm sorry for AMD but these benches don't matter at all. A handful of games in the next two years doesn't make up for worse performance in all the other games.

you make it sound like amd cards are not competetive in other games rolleyes.gif
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I'm sorry for AMD but these benches don't matter at all. A handful of games in the next two years doesn't make up for worse performance in all the other games.

So your argument boils down to "AMD should just stop trying." Yeah, listen-- that's not a rational argument, it's just a sour partisan rant.

Or perhaps you mean to say, "AMD should improve, but on Nvidia's own terms and stop trying to change industry APIs." Again, you're wearing your colors.
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At least now with pascal nvidia won't lose perf with dx12/vulkan ( my 1080 is safe for now till i get a vega biggrin.gif ) not like maxwell .
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