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Originally Posted by xboxshqip View Post

Ok wait a second now, since 3dmar invalidates our score whoever we disables tess in driver, why is no the same with async on Maxwell?
That's a driver cheat too.

Very interesting way to look at it...
post #312 of 632
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Originally Posted by Eroticus View Post

Ashes of the Singularity

31 > 41 = +32%

DX11
http://i.imgur.com/BsE3XRH.jpg


DX12
http://i.imgur.com/noR7OWl.jpg



Total Warhammer DX11VS DX12

290x +[1080p Ultra Settings] >54 > 81 = +49.9% Performance gain.

DX11
http://i.imgur.com/mgmozPw.jpg

DX12
http://i.imgur.com/YF5fBgG.jpg

No no no no no that's not how you calculate gains from async compute. You look at DX12 async on vs off, NOT DX11 vs DX12, which just completely muddles the data.

Here, look at these results: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-amd-nvidia/3/

1080p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 67.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 61.0 FPS
Async gain = 11.3%

1440p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 70.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 64.8 FPS
Async gain = 9.4%

4K:

Fury X DX12 async on: 57.3 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 51.0 FPS
Async gain = 12.4%

Average gain: 11%
post #313 of 632
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No no no no no that's not how you calculate gains from async compute. You look at DX12 async on vs off, NOT DX11 vs DX12, which just completely muddles the data.

Here, look at these results: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-02/ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-amd-nvidia/3/

1080p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 67.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 61.0 FPS
Async gain = 11.3%

1440p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 70.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 64.8 FPS
Async gain = 9.4%

4K:

Fury X DX12 async on: 57.3 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 51.0 FPS
Async gain = 12.4%

Average gain: 11%


Oh great, thanks...

Can you run same game ? with same settings ? you should get 20% performance increase minimum, no ? or something else is broken?
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Why don't you tell me what issues you have with the data I presented? And no "it doesn't show 20%+ gains so they did something wrong" is NOT a valid reason.
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Well there is a lot of confusion about what async is and isn't and you really should look it up and educate.
There are ways like 3DMark and some DX12 titles that just scratch the surface of possible parallelism which gives tiny boost to Paxwell and GCN.
And then you have Doom with Vulkan and apparently a lot of parallelism which gives GCN massive boost and utilizes the GPUs properly = fully.

Here is something to read and see the limits of various architectures.
Edited by JackCY - 7/16/16 at 5:18pm
post #316 of 632
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

No no no no no that's not how you calculate gains from async compute. Data (Click to show)
1080p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 67.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 61.0 FPS
Async gain = 11.3%

1440p:

Fury X DX12 async on: 70.9 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 64.8 FPS
Async gain = 9.4%

4K:

Fury X DX12 async on: 57.3 FPS
Fury X DX12 async off: 51.0 FPS
Async gain = 12.4%

Average gain: 11%


Please leave logic at the door henceforth.
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Well there is a lot of confusion about what async is and isn't and you really should look it up and educate.
There are ways like 3DMark and some DX12 titles that just scratch the surface of possible parallelism which gives tiny boost to Paxwell and GCN.
And then you have Doom with Vulkan and apparently a lot of parallelism which gives GCN massive boost and utilizes the GPUs properly = fully.

Do you not realize the absurdity of trying to calculate async compute gains across completely different APIs, some of which don't even support the function in the first place?

The only proper way to do it is to use the same API, then toggle async on and off, and see what the difference ends up being.
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Ashes of the Singularity

31 > 41 = +32%

DX11
http://i.imgur.com/BsE3XRH.jpg


DX12
http://i.imgur.com/noR7OWl.jpg



Total Warhammer DX11VS DX12

290x +[1080p Ultra Settings] >54 > 81 = +49.9% Performance gain.

DX11
http://i.imgur.com/mgmozPw.jpg

DX12
http://i.imgur.com/YF5fBgG.jpg

DX11 = AMD driver overhead sucks = Lower performance than it should be
DX12 = AMD driver overhead fixed = Correct performance
DX12 with Async = AMD driver overhead fixed + takes advantage of AMD strength = Better performance


Regarding Vulcan... that can be chalked up to AMD finally having good drivers instead of the crap OpenGL drivers.
Edited by criminal - 7/16/16 at 5:22pm
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Why don't you tell me what issues you have with the data I presented? And no "it doesn't show 20%+ gains so they did something wrong" is NOT a valid reason.




You just said ASYNC = 5~15%.

So why did Nvidia lost performance ?

While Fury X gained that much ?


Why did i gained that much ? why nvidia lost permanence everywhere ... even with next gen gpus .... ?
Edited by Eroticus - 7/16/16 at 5:27pm
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Do you not realize the absurdity of trying to calculate async compute gains across completely different APIs, some of which don't even support the function in the first place?

The only proper way to do it is to use the same API, then toggle async on and off, and see what the difference ends up being.

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DX11 = AMD driver overhead sucks = Lower performance than it should be
DX12 = AMD driver overhead fixed = Correct performance
DX12 with Async = AMD driver overhead fixed + takes advantage of AMD strength = Better performance

Yup.

Async is just the cherry on top.. It won't give massive boosts unless more of the game is done in compute and then done concurrently (afaik). Doom takes advantage of Vulkan really well, there's also many more things involved besides async, Shader Intrinsic Functions being another which Doom also takes advantage of.
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