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They clearly said that they have only a neutral optimization path. They support only FL_11.0 and the only way to achieve async compute on both architectures is by supporting the method that both GCN and Paxwell can support.

That means preemption.

Oh well it doesn't matter, it is just a benchmark.

Yeah. It's only a benchmark and now it's nothing for me. Going to skip 3DMark from this point on. If anything 3DMark should be pushing both sides of the GPUs to the MAX to show what the GPUs are capable off.
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They clearly said that they have only a neutral optimization path. They support only FL_11.0 and the only way to achieve async compute on both architectures is by supporting the method that both GCN and Paxwell can support.

That means preemption.

Oh well it doesn't matter, it is just a benchmark.
thats the problem
in the past they never did optimise a feature that both parties had they optimised their code in relation to the api..
now suddenly they go the other way around..being neutral tailoring their bench to be suited only for one party
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Yeah. It's only a benchmark and now it's nothing for me. Going to skip 3DMark from this point on. If anything 3DMark should be pushing both sides of the GPUs to the MAX to show what the GPUs are capable off.
For those missing out, it was demonstrated at GOC Asia Nvidia Event. What else could you be looking out for?
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They they shouldnt calling that setting only async and maybe put a disclaimer or information about what is his async doing and why it make amd card look less impresive on a dx12 bench. Or change the name to timespy dx12 FL_11
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They clearly said that they have only a neutral optimization path. They support only FL_11.0 and the only way to achieve async compute on both architectures is by supporting the method that both GCN and Paxwell can support.

That means preemption.

Oh well it doesn't matter, it is just a benchmark.

You have two people and they're both told that in time, they will have to pass a physical exam. Both of them are aware of this coming task. The physical exam is the benchmark for them. Person A is 100% fit when they are given the and has been working for years to be prepared. Person B is at 70% of person A's physical fitness level. The exam is something they both have to work towards completing, however when the exam day finally comes, the difficult hill to climb that both people have been working their asses off to overcome... it is only capable of stressing 70% of person A's potential, wasting some 30% of his hard work, while Person B who should've had to work more as he was behind, not having done anything in the years, has been rewarded saving some years of hard work because what was supposed to be a 120% person A's abilities task turned out to be nothing more than an exam tailored to let person B pass with complete disregard for A's hard work.
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The only thing this proves is that the whole concept of a neutral "benchmark" has been false for about 15 years.

It's meaningless to have one codepath that "benchmarks" different chip architectures with different feature sets. All you are doing is testing that one particular codepath. Futuremark has always made the decision that the one codepath that all chip architectures will be measured against, is the one that matches Nvidia's feature set.

It's a good thing that GPU reviews tend to minimize 3dmark for the far more important game benchmarks. It's how it should be.
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Wouldn't the last few pages of posts be more relevant posted here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1605899/various-futuremark-releases-3dmark-time-spy-directx-12-benchmark/500#post_25358347

Seems to be more griping about how one sided Time Spy is in this thread than actual discussion about how good Vulcan is for AMD.
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Wouldn't the last few pages of posts be more relevant posted here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1605899/various-futuremark-releases-3dmark-time-spy-directx-12-benchmark/500#post_25358347

Seems to be more griping about how one sided Time Spy is in this thread than actual discussion about how good Vulcan is for AMD.

Trying to reconcile the two, and landing on game vs. benchmark. But there are two of these Doom/Vulkan threads as well. I await the Überthread.
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There is nothing DX12 about Time Spy. DX12 reduces CPU Overhead and makes it possible to achieve scenes never possible with DX11. The Time Spy benchmark can easily be achieved with DX11.
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