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It is clear that 1080 is simply still the fastest card. Nvidia has advantage in pure power there, so even with failure of an architectural features, it wins.

But. I'd be seriously concerned about Vega. Such an early release of Titan XP announces NV's fear.

I think AMD is using HBM2,for all Vega products, this could explain why nvidia is first to the market with its GDDR5X SKUs.
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I think AMD is using HBM2,for all Vega products, this could explain why nvidia is first to the market with its GDDR5X SKUs.

I think AMD just didn't have enough funds to cover development of the whole range of chips, from low to high end, at the same time. And since they didn't refresh lower end forever, they decided to go with it first. Which I think was the right decision.
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I think AMD is using HBM2,for all Vega products, this could explain why nvidia is first to the market with its GDDR5X SKUs.

I'm afraid not. If that was the case, announced FirePro would use HBM. And it doesn't. So it seems this year both NV and AMD skipped HBM.
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I'm afraid not. If that was the case, announced FirePro would use HBM. And it doesn't. So it seems this year both NV and AMD skipped HBM.
Actually they are trying to get rid of old stock. They are still using Hawaii chips and some Fiji. They do not really need them, as they are already selling new generation cards, although the new FirePro products and Vega are still not out, they need to prepare the shelves.
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Actually they are trying to get rid of old stock. They are still using Hawaii chips and some Fiji. They do not really need them, as they are already selling new generation cards, although the new FirePro products and Vega are still not out, they need to prepare the shelves.
You've got to be kidding...
HBM is not a big data set capable video buffer. The interface has absolutely zero redundancies built in for manufacturing tolerances. It is therefore having a very hesitant adoption.
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I'm afraid not. If that was the case, announced FirePro would use HBM. And it doesn't. So it seems this year both NV and AMD skipped HBM.

You mean the one they just announced? It is a polaris,would not make sense to have HBM2 as it was not designed with that in mind. Vega is HBM2, we know that.

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You've got to be kidding...
HBM is not a big data set capable video buffer. The interface has absolutely zero redundancies built in for manufacturing tolerances. It is therefore having a very hesitant adoption.
Hesitant, as in being on 600$ GPU that is for enthusiasts? Ofcourse it will be having slow adoption, its a new technology that costs a lot more than the current one, and the benefits to the average Joe are... not worth it. In few years perhaps this will change.
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I'm afraid not. If that was the case, announced FirePro would use HBM. And it doesn't. So it seems this year both NV and AMD skipped HBM.
Aren't the FirePro cards just P10 and P11? It seemed that way to me, so that's G5 or G5X only. Even NV uses G5X only on the premium 1080 because it is still expensive even for them to put it into everything.
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Hesitant, as in being on 600$ GPU that is for enthusiasts? Ofcourse it will be having slow adoption, its a new technology that costs a lot more than the current one, and the benefits to the average Joe are... not worth it. In few years perhaps this will change.
Hesitant as in not present in FirePRO Series due to these reasons. AMD continues to make full reference to Fury X for the enthusiast segment.
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This makes me slightly more excited for the 480 I have incoming, I still haven't beaten this game.
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