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with the many "bits" of news they've been releasing?

"Zen roadmap released"
"Zen will be released by Q4 2016"
"Zen will be on 14nm"
"Zen is a much different uarch"
"Zen will feature hyper-threading"
"Zen will be on AM4"
"Zen will have a greater than 40% IPC improvement over Excavator"
"Zen will have up to 8 full cores"
"Zen die shot leaked"
"Zen has double the performance of piledriver"
"Zen will be released by Q1 2017"

http://www.overclock.net/newsearch?Search=SEARCH&action=disp&advanced=1&byuser=&containingforum[]=149&newer=1&numupdates=&order=descending&output=all&replycompare=gt&sdate=0&search=Zen&sort=relevance&titleonly=1&resultSortingPreference=recency

looking at our news section, the earliest being 2014.

Pretty sure some Zen products will be out within this year despite all the rumors.

AMD and Lisa Su have repediately said to investors and media late 2016.
They cant back out from that
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I hope it does better than my A10
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Skylake was actually a nice leap in IPC. You can check the Digital Foundry tests. Sandy, Ivy, and Haswell are all in the same league, but Skylake seems to be in its own league, at least as far as Intel generational leaps are concerned.

I have to say, I'm kind of regretting my upgrade a 3570K to a 4790K, even though I got a good price, seeing the Skylake results.

If we use the antiquated version of nice's definition (trivial), then yes, Skylake is a nice upgrade over Haswell. Outside of a few outliers like Google Octane and Handbrake, it's maybe a 5-10% improvement, same as they've been averaging since pretty much every generation since Haswell. And in some situations, the performance regresses vs. Haswell.
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The APU will be an interesting part. I'm slightly saddened that there are only a select few applications that utilize HSA - I'm kind of hoping that the APU with HBM2 *might* allow that integrated memory to act as a slower cache perhaps if the iGPU is not being used... Time will tell how they actually do things though. For a mobile rig I'm sure the APU is going to be an amazing value. With luck I'll be an early adopter of the actual full Zen CPU - perhaps a laptop with the APU will be my 2nd AMD purchase if things work out like I'm hoping.
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if HBM2 become cheap, they may even able to kill discrete card market up to $300 ones.
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Pretty sure some Zen products will be out within this year despite all the rumors.

AMD and Lisa Su have repediately said to investors and media late 2016.
They cant back out from that

Who says they can't?
Both AMD and Intel (and Nvidia) had many delays over time because of various reasons.
I guess we will have to wait and see, but it is not uncommon.
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if HBM2 become cheap, they may even able to kill discrete card market up to $300 ones.

not quite possible, i don't think an IGP can out-perform RX480 even with HBM2.
maybe they could reach RX460 out of the box, and even almost reach RX470 if it overclocks really well.

an IGP with a core config of 1024:64:16 and uses HBM2 as a buffer would only manage to reach RX470 if its clocked at least ~70% higher.
edit: on a side note, FX-8800P and A12-8800B has a core config of 512:32:8, so its likely possible to double it using 14nm finfet node.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 12:57am
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an IGP with a core config of 1024:64:16 and uses HBM2 as a buffer would only manage to reach RX470 if its clocked at least ~70% higher.

Why do you think a RX 470 can't be integrated into the APU?
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Hynix HBM2 chips come in 4GB per stack flavour. It would be a waste to make anything below 64 rops: 2 stacks 8GB 512 GB/s. It could harness dual 480's at that point.
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Why do you think a RX 470 can't be integrated into the APU?

too big, you're probably gonna end up with a ~400mm² chip, this'll cost about $500 MSRP with 14nm Finfet.
furthermore, power consumption would be way above 140W, motherboards would end up being built with 6phase minimum, making it cost a lot.
the total cost would thus be ~$600 for the APU+Mobo set, is that worth integrating an RX470 into the APU die?
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Hynix HBM2 chips come in 4GB per stack flavour. It would be a waste to make anything below 64 rops: 2 stacks 8GB 512 GB/s. It could harness dual 480's at that point.
a single stack simultaneously sustaining CPU+IGP will do well.
take note that Polaris heavily relies on compression to sustain it's ROPs.

which means a 4GB HBM2 buffer @ 256GB/s will be just about right for a 4C/8T CPU + 16ROP IGP.
basically you'd end up using the HBM stack like an L4 cache, similar to i7-5775C.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 7:52am
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