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Obviously 50-60% profit margins are what you want and what you need to do good as a company. Not a lackluster 35-40%. I think there will be no HBM on the first Zen APUs but there will probably be HBM on the seconde Zen APUs featuring Vega arch.
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She also said the fury x was an "overclocker's dream" .

Oh, I get it. The definition of a overclocker is a person who buys a voltage locked card and then moves a slider across until stability goes? rolleyes.gif

Hard mods as well as voltage mods on the fury X as well as putting it under LN2 offer great results.
 
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Oh, I get it. The definition of a overclocker is a person who buys a voltage locked card and then moves a slider across until stability goes? rolleyes.gif

Hard mods as well as voltage mods on the fury X as well as putting it under LN2 offer great results.

What did i know this card was going to be locked? Reference 980 had its voltage unlocked so logic tells me that an aib would be too. Was wrong.
    
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I don't see APUs using HBM2 any time soon. Its going to make APU dies (or even packages) very complex and thus more expensive. There's a lot more things that AMD can do to improve APUs rather than going right to using HBM2, which IMO right now is the nuclear option as I dont think tech is miniaturized enough to make it financially feasible.

First thing's first that APUs need work on is the CPU performance. If AMD really wants to break into the bulk of laptop sales and start challenging Intel then there needs to be major IPC boosts. If this happens then it means AMD isn't forced to use four cores to compete with two core HT CPUs on laptops and can use a dual core SMT CPU as well to save on costs and energy usage.

Secondly, improve the cache performance. AMD's caches at all levels are both have less throughput and more latency. If they can catch up to Intel then this would improve both CPU performance and reduce GPU bottlenecks.

Lastly the memory bandwidth throughput of the APU overall needs to be drastically improved through better IMCs. I think this picture speaks for itself:



APUs won't see much benefit from DDR4, or EDRAM, or HBM2 if AMD even struggles to make decent DDR3 IMCs.
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Weak IMC's were a serious issue with the construction-core chips. They made some incremental improvements on the APU side versus the FX chips but it's still not where it needs to be. One of the big checkboxes on my list of Zen must-haves is IMC offering at least near-parity with Intel's Haswell offerings. Cache performance seems to have been a large focus of the design team, though. I'd have to dredge up the posts but looncraz did a really nice dissection of what information is available thus far and intimated that the cache performance should in theory be much better.

     
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APUs won't see much benefit from DDR4, or EDRAM, or HBM2 if AMD even struggles to make decent DDR3 IMCs.

one could argue that AMD is more knowledgeable in using HBM, well at least they're the first one ever to do it.
though on the other hand, the results of Fiji leaves this as a questionable point.


well anyway, this is what happens if you don't give your engineers better coffee. smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 11:31am
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then they wouldn't be releasing a premium chip because they wouldn't be able to pull a decent profit off it, rather just stuff us with cheaper chips at a higher margin.

By what measure a would embedded Polaris solution be flagship?

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one could argue that AMD is at least more knowledgeable in using HBM, well at least they're the first one ever to do it.
though on the other hand, the results of Fiji leaves this as a questionable point.

Not following the logic here... HBM would only provide a performance boost if there was a memory bottleneck. Such bottlenecks do exist in integrated graphics solutions but discrete solutions have had quite a few workarounds memory bandwidth limitations.



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By what measure a would embedded Polaris solution be flagship?
do you even know what flagship means?
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Not following the logic here... HBM would only provide a performance boost if there was a memory bottleneck. Such bottlenecks do exist in integrated graphics solutions but discrete solutions have had quite a few workarounds memory bandwidth limitations.
try to remember what the reviewers said after they tried to OC the Fury card's HBM.
then try to remember when someone discovered a bug to OC the HBM, and it's results.
edit: i remembered we had a thread about this - http://www.overclock.net/t/1562593/hardware-info-hbm-on-furyx-can-be-overclocked-after-all/0_50
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do you even know what flagship even means?.

Were you aiming for irony?
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try to remember what the reviewers said after they tried to OC the Fury card's HBM.

Yes, HBM OC was bios locked.
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then try to remember when someone discovered a bug to OC the HBM, and it's results.

Again, what radical performance results are you referring to? Fiji wasn't bandwidth limited...

From your own link:




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Were you aiming for irony?

no, you misread.
to point out, which 4th gen GCN is the leading card? RX480.
there is simply no better 4th gen GCN card on AMD's list than RX480.
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Yes, HBM OC was bios locked.
then do you remember what they promised about the Fury cards? "overclockers dream" was it?
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Again, what radical performance results are you referring to? Fiji wasn't bandwidth limited...

Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 12:57pm
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