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the problem with leaks is that people are left speculating in the wrong direction, and often hyped, this is bad for their image.

its better if they could just officially announce a large portion of the piece in one go.
like the full core config, a rough estimation of it's performance, and power consumption as thats their thing.
its like when they announced RX480, that was close to a thorough announcement.

and on that note, they could inform shareholders with the same thing, and some progress report to keep them posted.
i don't see the point in giving too little information at a time, i'd rather get a good picture of what to expect than be mislead by random speculations.

Ι really don't understand what's the problem. Zen is probably the least leaked AMD processor in recent memory. Zambezi for example, has had several benchmarks leaked 6 months or so before it was released. When it comes to Zen,we have had some info rumored since 2015 (process used,core counts) those rumors were confirmed last spring and with some additional details (rough performance estimation vs older parts,TDP etc). All in all AMD has been extremely tight-lipped with Zen, the opposite of what you accuse them to be.
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Ι really don't understand what's the problem. Zen is probably the least leaked AMD processor in recent memory. Zambezi for example, has had several benchmarks leaked 6 months or so before it was released. When it comes to Zen,we have had some info rumored since 2015 (process used,core counts) those rumors were confirmed last spring and with some additional details (rough performance estimation vs older parts,TDP etc). All in all AMD has been extremely tight-lipped with Zen, the opposite of what you accuse them to be.

i wasn't implying that Zen is their worst, their worst was steamroller then zambezi second.
but i don't agree with Zen being their cleanest to date, it should be Thuban as it was nearly a silent launch.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/17/16 at 1:49pm
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AMD had problems with their chips mostly cause of process node. This will not be the case this time.
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AMD had problems with their chips mostly cause of process node. This will not be the case this time.

i wonder if that would affect availability.

technically when it come to yields, the ones affected the most are the big dies.
in this case we might end up with few 8core CPUs on stock.
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i wonder if that would affect availability.

technically when it come to yields, the ones affected the most are the big dies.
in this case we might end up with few 8core CPUs on stock.
IIRC AMD is sourcing their Zen dies from 2 manufacturers this time (GloFo and Samsung), so if GloFo screws it up yet again, Samsung should be there to pick up the slack a bit. Of course, for all we know AMD could have it so that one is doing the APUs and low end desktop stuff, and the other is doing HEDT and Enterprise level stuff. We wont know until AMD feels ready to give us more info on who is making Zen chips and what particular chips they're pumping out.
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for what it's worth:

"As for its embedded GPU, with the company's introduction of Polaris 10, enthusiasts can expect the Zen APU to have a performance close to an RX 460 card but with fewer stream processors."

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/amd.zen.apu.release.date.first.zen.based.apu.to.arrive.in.2017/90516.htm
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So, enthusiast FX chips are still to be expected in Q4 this year?

And I wonder if early AM4 motherboards will end up supporting Zen+ by 2018.
That would be great, and I'd pay for a higher end motherboard, if that happens.
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So, enthusiast FX chips are still to be expected in Q4 this year?

And I wonder if early AM4 motherboards will end up supporting Zen+ by 2018.
That would be great, and I'd pay for a higher end motherboard, if that happens.

It is almost certainly a yes. Although I expect high end motherboards to come with revised models for Zen+,same thing happened with AM3+, for example. I plan on getting a crosshair from Asus, if Zen is at least haswell level of performance per core that is.
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I've just found something regarding Zen specs and engineering samples. It was posted by "Dresdenboy" in some blog.
Now, if I remember correctly, that dude has been a serious source before.
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These leaked specifications have been confirmed by Dresdenboy.


Hi all, I've got some info about Zen ES stage. I thought you would like to see it after the many off-topic Polaris posts.
Zen ES is at the moment in revision A0 - it might not be a suprise.
L2/L3 variations: 2/8 MB, 4/16 MB, 8/32 MB, 12/64 MB, 16/64 MB (512kb L2/core, 8MB/4 cores)
Core counts are: 4c/8t, 8c/16t, 16c/32t, 32c/64t. As it seems now there won't be a 6c/12t at the launch, there will be only complete core complexes. Later AMD might release a 6/12 version, will see.
AMD's working on 2 kind of packages: AM4 and SP3. Later there might be a SP4 package of course.
4 variants of ES Zen are available at the moment: AM4 8 cores with 95W TDP AM4 4 cores with 65W TDP SP3 24 cores with 150W TDP SP3 32 cores with 180W TDP

The most exciting part is core clock. The 8c/95W variant's base clock is 2.8GHz, all core boost is 3.05GHz and maximum boost is 3.2GHz. The 4c/65W part's clock is the same. (I would expect 3.5GHz base clock for a retail 4c/95W variant.) Idle clock is exciting as well. AM4 versions can lower the clock to 550 MHz in idle which is a very nice level from an AMD CPU. Idle wattage is 5W for 8c version and 2.5W for 4c version. The SP3 versions have even lower idle clock: it's only 400MHz. Regarding the boost clocks the 32c/180W version has a 2.9GHz boost clock and the 24c/150W version has a 2.75GHz boost clock.

AFAIK Intel has no answer for the 32c/64t Zen variant, so it could be a great win for AMD on the server market.

What AMD is doing different in case of Zen is the purpose of the CPU. AMD doesn't build it for the future but for the present. Maybe it won't be strong in AVX and FMA but an average user won't realize it because the average user won't use the AVX and FMA capabilities. Average Joe will see that Zen is as fast as Haswell on Intel's side (if AMD won't screw it up) and it's enough for everything what Average Joe does on his PC.

On server side Haswell IPC and high core count with a reasonable price will convince the customers to give AMD a try. And I hope AMD can grab the chance after all the years of failures.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4tg90p/specifications_amd_zen_engineering_samples_leaked/
Edited by renx - 7/18/16 at 10:48pm
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Zen ES is at the moment in revision A0 - it might not be a surprise.

What does this mean? Any context?
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