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you know they should start developing a way of adding an external VRAM pool.
like how they're doing with Pro SSG, except using DDR4 or maybe HBM sticks if they ever plan on making those.

with this in mind, the onboard VRAM would end up being a buffer, so even a mere 2GB HBM VRAM pool would be plenty for an onboard buffer.

Storage ram is still not fast enough to compete with physical ram.
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RX 470 with performance equal to the 280X would be a failure considering the node and architecture changes...

You are correct. Just looked the specs again as I am willing to admit I have not paid much attention to these cards that much. However, I think it will fall between a 280x and a 290/390 which if priced right is a hell of a card. These are the cards that will get AMD marketshare again.
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You are correct. Just looked the specs again as I am willing to admit I have not paid much attention to these cards that much. However, I think it will fall between a 280x and a 290/390 which if priced right is a hell of a card. These are the cards that will get AMD marketshare again.

These should've been out there before 1060 ever benched.
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The 1060 is irrelevant to AMD's new mainstream cards. Previously they had nothing but rebrands and the 970 was priced so good that it took what sales the 960 didn't get. Before rehashing old junk for mainstream AMD was dominant there too just like they are now.
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Storage ram is still not fast enough to compete with physical ram.

yes, but with proper VRAM management they could cope with a fast+slow configuration.

it could be said that a 2~4GB buffer pool could host the majority of VRAM usage.
say a good 2x1GB 256GB/s HBM1 or 2x2GB 512GB/s HBM2 as the onboard buffer pool.

then to further extend the card's capability, an external pool of 8GB or more can host the less prioritized data.
plus, nobody said it would be a slow NAND SSD external pool, one can use DDR4 or even 3D-Xpoint for a more acceptable performance.


its like the system's RAM+Pagefile, on the previous cases where pagefile were still useful the HDDs used for pagefile are extremely slow.
with today's fast SSDs pagefile should perform quite better than before, though on the other hand RAM had become much cheaper.

in the case of GPUs however, VRAM are still an expensive commodity, HBM and GDDR5X to be exact are still expensive.
Edited by epic1337 - 7/29/16 at 10:43am
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The 1060 is irrelevant to AMD's new mainstream cards. Previously they had nothing but rebrands and the 970 was priced so good that it took what sales the 960 didn't get. Before rehashing old junk for mainstream AMD was dominant there too just like they are now.


How is the 1060 irrelevant if it's in the same price and performance range?
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Not an hour but so far no change, all 25 1060's in stock still throughout NY Micorcenters. 16 Zotac mini's and 9 AMPS. No PNY came in stock yet. Visiontek 480's just sold out.

EDIT: One Zotac AMP sold in Westchester. One 1060 per hour isn't bad i suppose, it is priced outside the scope of acceptability for a mainstream card after all. Also, the MSI Gaming 1060 has disappeared from Microcenter's website listings altogether. Was it a limited run or something? That was their only 1060 for a while.

UPDATE: Still no stock of the PNY.

Ethereum mining is still pretty good right now. People who don't have cheap power are still buying 480s and 1070s for mining.
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The 1060 is irrelevant to AMD's new mainstream cards. Previously they had nothing but rebrands and the 970 was priced so good that it took what sales the 960 didn't get. Before rehashing old junk for mainstream AMD was dominant there too just like they are now.


How is the 1060 irrelevant if it's in the same price and performance range?



Because it's only competing in the mind of fans, the 480 price haven't moved and sales have not slowed. One can only link dead listings for so long as proof it's the same price btw.
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480 price haven't moved
thats for sure,. they havent moved from the 290+ EUR mark around here ..

while custom 1060 start from 280-285 and a lot are also 290+
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Nobody here seems to want them, and since you blokes pretend the shelves are just full of pascal to counter the known production issues....i guess none of you euro people want them either. I think RX 480 would outsell the 1060 if it were $100 more at this point lachen.gif

Guess lack of SLI really did matter. All that bellyaching and cherry picking of low MSRP 1060 for naught....
Edited by FLCLimax - 7/29/16 at 2:18pm
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