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post #441 of 470
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1) Well, the gameplay benchmarks favor the 1060 3gb, so power bottleneck is worse than vram bottleneck in most real world gameplay scenarios

2) Sli is disabled for both versions of the 1060 anyways. If you want to crossfire, then yes the rx480 8gb makes sense and is a better buy. The rx480 4gb and rx470 8gb makes less sense though if you want to crossfire. Single GPU setups with no intention to sli or xfire is a different story.

1. That's contradictory to what you've been saying all along.
2. Hence why I said what I said.
Edited by huzzug - 9/30/16 at 8:21am
post #442 of 470
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Originally Posted by Charcharo View Post

*Sigh*
And the 970 has lesser GPU power than the 1060 3GB. And also mods. It is literally that simple. Also the memory management (as per Nvidia PR during GTX 970 fiasco and AMD's Fury X release) can be fine-tuned in drivers for almost all cards. Delta Color Compression is hardware only. I do not trust nvidia with the GTX 970's longevity, I do not trust them with a 1060 3GB that is more powerful but with 3 GB of VRAM. And for the record - I do not trust AMD with the Fury and Fury X long term either.

Also, good luck with DOOM Nightmare settings tongue.gif

I don't trust Nvidia, but I do trust real world gaming benchmarks, reviews, and price levels that shows it is a much better buy than any variant of the overpriced RX470s that are in the same price range.

And we haven't even discussed OC potential yet. The 1060 can actually be overclocked whereas the rx400 seems to be terrible at OC and sucks and a crazy amount of power for marginal improvements.
post #443 of 470
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1. That's contradictory to what you've been saying all along.
2. Hence why I said what I said.

No it's not. My point is the rx470 at the same price level of the 1060 3gb is terrible.

If you want to crossfire, get the rx480 8gb. Anything else from the AMD line besides a cheap reference Rx480 4gb is questionable and loses in bang for buck performance.

My original post was all about how the rx400s are overpriced compared to nvidia in terms of dollar for performance. I didnt even address how the rx400 is not great at overclocking and runs much hotter/uses more energy/runs noisier - all valid points to consider too.
Edited by Bluescreendeath - 9/30/16 at 8:33am
post #444 of 470
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1. That's contradictory to what you've been saying all along.
2. Hence why I said what I said.

No it's not. My point is the rx470 at the same price level of the 1060 3gb is terrible.

If you want to crossfire, get the rx480 8gb. Anything else from the AMD line besides a cheap reference Rx480 4gb is questionable and loses in bang for buck performance.

My original post was all about how the rx400s are overpriced compared to nvidia in terms of dollar for performance. I didnt even address how the rx400 sucks at overclocking and runs much hotter/uses more energy/runs noisier - all valid points to consider too.

1. Again is not the case everywhere. We can go like this all day, but unless there truly is not 1060 3GB @ RX470, the 470 stays a better buy. 8GB would be even better.
2. Again, see above for comparing price of different variants. Overclocking does not suck compared to Nvidia when the architecture of the cards are not similar. I could say that my 7950 is stupid compared to your 7950 as it can't clock as high as yours, and that would be a fair comparison. But saying your FuryX / R9 390 is a bad clocker coz my 7950 can hits clocks ~1300Mhz is an unfair comparison as the architecture itself is different. You only compare performance achieved from the overclock and not the overclock speeds itself. Power consumption and heat are the by products of overclocking and are to be expected. The card cannot manufacture FPS out of thin air while running on 2 triple A batteries.
Edited by huzzug - 9/30/16 at 8:38am
post #445 of 470
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1. Again is not the case everywhere. We can go like this all day, but unless there truly is not 1060 3GB @ RX470, the 470 stays a better buy. 8GB would be even better.
2. Again, see above for comparing price of different variants. Overclocking does not suck compared to Nvidia when the architecture of the cards are not similar. I could say that my 7950 is stupid compared to your 7950 as it can't clock as high as yours, and that would be a fair comparison. But saying your FuryX / R9 390 is a bad clocker coz my 7950 can hits clocks ~1300Mhz is an unfair comparison as the architecture itself is different. You only compare performance achieved from the overclock and not the overclock speeds itself. Power consumption and heat are the by products of overclocking and are to be expected. The card cannot manufacture FPS out of thin air while running on 2 t
riple A batteries.


1) RX470 8GB is not a good buy as it's a waste of memory - the only situation I can think of is if it's at the same price or near the price of the RX470 4GB version, and even then, the RX470 4GB better be significantly cheaper than the RX480 4GB or GTX1060 3GB to be worth it.

2) I'm not comparing AMD directly to Nvidia in overclocking. I'm comparing it to itself in terms clock increase percentage achieved, and then comparing the percentage increase from AMD to percentage increase from Nvidia. RX480 (and RX470 to a lesser extent) overclocking sucks when you compare it to itself in terms of increasing the percentage of the base clock.

The reference RX480 gets a measly 5% core overclock, resulting in a 5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/27.html

The AIB RX480 Strix w/ a small factory OC gets a measly 3% core overclock, resulting in a 3% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/26.html

The AIB RX470 Strix gets a 7% core overclock, resulting in a 6.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_470_STRIX_OC/27.html

The AIB GTX1060 Gaming 3GB gets a 9% boost overclock and 21% memory overclock, resulting in a large 14.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X_3_GB/29.html

The reference GTX1060 6GB gets a 10% boost overclock, 20% memory overclocking, resulting in a large 14% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/29.html


So the GTX1060 overclocks much better in increasing the percentage of its base clock, and in terms of real world performance gains, and gets 2-4x more in terms of % fps gain compared to the RX470 and RX480.
Edited by Bluescreendeath - 9/30/16 at 9:08am
post #446 of 470
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1. Again is not the case everywhere. We can go like this all day, but unless there truly is not 1060 3GB @ RX470, the 470 stays a better buy. 8GB would be even better.
2. Again, see above for comparing price of different variants. Overclocking does not suck compared to Nvidia when the architecture of the cards are not similar. I could say that my 7950 is stupid compared to your 7950 as it can't clock as high as yours, and that would be a fair comparison. But saying your FuryX / R9 390 is a bad clocker coz my 7950 can hits clocks ~1300Mhz is an unfair comparison as the architecture itself is different. You only compare performance achieved from the overclock and not the overclock speeds itself. Power consumption and heat are the by products of overclocking and are to be expected. The card cannot manufacture FPS out of thin air while running on 2 t
riple A batteries.


1) RX470 8GB is not a good buy as it's a waste of memory - the only situation I can think of is if it's at the same price or near the price of the RX470 4GB version, and even then, the RX470 4GB better be significantly cheaper than the RX480 4GB or GTX1060 3GB to be worth it.

2) I'm not comparing AMD directly to Nvidia in overclocking. I'm comparing it to itself in terms clock increase percentage achieved, and then comparing the percentage increase from AMD to percentage increase from Nvidia. RX480 (and RX470 to a lesser extent) overclocking sucks when you compare it to itself in terms of increasing the percentage of the base clock.

The reference RX480 gets a measly 5% core overclock, resulting in a 5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/27.html

The AIB RX480 Strix w/ a small factory OC gets a measly 3% core overclock, resulting in a 3% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/26.html

The AIB RX470 Strix gets a 7% core overclock, resulting in a 6.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_470_STRIX_OC/27.html

The AIB GTX1060 Gaming 3GB gets a 9% boost overclock and 21% memory overclock, resulting in a large 14.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X_3_GB/29.html

The reference GTX1060 6GB gets a 10% boost overclock, 20% memory overclocking, resulting in a large 14% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/29.html


So the GTX1060 overclocks much better in increasing the percentage of its base clock, and in terms of real world performance gains, and gets 2-4x more in terms of % fps gain compared to the RX470 and RX480.

Good thing in all RX comparisons, they did not bother memory overclocks on the cards. Surely must be a core bottleneck.
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Good thing in all RX comparisons, they did not bother memory overclocks on the cards. Surely must be a core bottleneck.

Yeh, the memory overclocks are ok but the RX hits a wall pretty quickly when overclocking the core.

I was watching a youtube video recently about a reviewer who put his AIB RX480 on liquid cooling, and it seemed to help with the boost overclocks a bit. I think even his AIB heatsink was running too hot and the fan drew too much power? No clue what was going on there.
post #448 of 470
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I don't trust Nvidia, but I do trust real world gaming benchmarks, reviews, and price levels that shows it is a much better buy than any variant of the overpriced RX470s that are in the same price range.

And we haven't even discussed OC potential yet. The 1060 can actually be overclocked whereas the rx400 seems to be terrible at OC and sucks and a crazy amount of power for marginal improvements.

Yet top clocked RX 480s beat Top clocked 1060s... strange.

I also trust tests.
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-09/grafikkarten-speicher-vram-test/

I also trust logic and reason. People like you used to say that the ATI 5770 was incapable of fully using its 1GB of VRAM and that the 512mb version was the better one. Those people were wrong, that VRAM helped my 5770 last me 6 years. 512mb cards could not play WItcher 3 at all. The 1GB variant? Oh it did, 30 fps and low + med textures, but it did do it like a champ. Not to mention MODS.

Also. Mods

Also. DOOM Nightmare settings. Just 2 examples.
Edited by Charcharo - 9/30/16 at 9:59am
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Yet top clocked RX 480s beat Top clocked 1060s... strange.

I also trust tests.
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-09/grafikkarten-speicher-vram-test/

I also trust logic and reason. People like you used to say that the ATI 5770 was incapable of fully using its 1GB of VRAM and that the 512mb version was the better one. Those people were wrong, that VRAM helped my 5770 last me 6 years. 512mb cards could not play WItcher 3 at all. The 1GB variant? Oh it did, 30 fps and low + med textures, but it did do it like a champ. Not to mention MODS.

Also. Mods

Also. DOOM Nightmare settings. Just 2 examples.

1) You just linked something that isn't even an overclocking review and doesn't have average/minimum fps charts. It's a general review with only 4 games benchmarked focusing on what I assume are frame drops. The RX480 doesn't even win in all of the benches. The RX480 8GB wins most of the time against the GTX1060 3GB in frame drops at higher resolutions/higher textures of course, but it's $40-$50 more here in the US. That's twice the price jump of going from the RX470 to the GTX1060 3GB.

Most other reviews on Techpowerup and Techspot that focuses on a larger variety of games with average/min charts shows the GTX1060 3GB doing pretty well.

2) Doom Nightmare Settings? Mods? Get a GTX1060 6GB. It costs the same as the RX480 8GB. Or get a RX480 if it's not overpriced above MSRP. The GTX1060 3GB is in the same price range as the RX470 and RX480 4GB, not the RX480 8GB.

If the RX470 and GTX1060 3GB are priced at similar levels or ~$20 from each other, Get the GTX1060 3GB. Play at 1080p and have a budget of $200? Get the GTX1060 3GB since RX480 4GBs at the same price point are out of stock/above MSRP & overpriced, and runs hot & noisy.

3) And if you actually want to compare overclocking, take a look at reviews that actually has a section that focuses on overclocking. If you want to actually read about overclocking, then read these links:

The reference RX480 gets a measly 5% core overclock, resulting in a 5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/27.html

The AIB RX480 Strix w/ a small factory OC gets a measly 3% core overclock, resulting in a 3% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/26.html

The AIB RX470 Strix gets a 7% core overclock, resulting in a 6.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_470_STRIX_OC/27.html

The AIB GTX1060 Gaming 3GB gets a 9% boost overclock and 21% memory overclock, resulting in a large 14.5% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1060_Gaming_X_3_GB/29.html

The reference GTX1060 6GB gets a 10% boost overclock, 20% memory overclocking, resulting in a large 14% fps gain.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1060/29.html


So the GTX1060 overclocks much better in increasing the percentage of its base clock, and in terms of real world performance gains, and gets 2-4x more in terms of % fps gain compared to the RX470 and RX480.
Edited by Bluescreendeath - 9/30/16 at 10:16am
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Are you just quoting yourself? Your despite attempt to make the 3gb version of the 1060 sound relevant is lulzy.
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