Originally Posted by Bluescreendeath
I'm not monolingual either. I just don't read German - not many people on the planet read German. You say Google English Translation sucks...well that's not very helpful is it? Do you have a link with English, or more reviews in English?
You could not care less for prices in America, and I could not care less for prices in your country. It works both ways. But this thread that speculated an MSRP of $150 for the RX470 and $100 for the RX460 uses American prices for a reason. There are probably more of these cards sold in America than in all of Europe combined. AMD and Nvidia are American companies and their primary market is the American consumer. Initial MSRPs that this topic thread mentions were based on speculated American MSRP prices. So when I am comparing the reviews of price vs performance, my use of American prices matters just as much, if not more so, than your use of European prices. I've already acknowledged that my arguments apply to America - and your arguments should be limited to Germany or Europe because of your respective pricing.
As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of reviews in English show the GTX1060 3GB being a far better bang-for-buck than the comparably priced RX470 and a slightly better value than the RX480 4GB. The RX470 fills a small, sad niche of being too expensive for its performance range. If AMD actually used the $150 MSRP as this title suggests, they could've blown Nvidia lower end cards out of the water.
Sure, it's true that most people don't overclock. Most people also don't SLi or Crossfire either.
Do most people care about power consumption and PSU requirements? Do they care about heat and noise? Those are just more factors that tip the balance in GTX1060's favor.
I do not think bilingualism is that much better. 3+ is the minimum these days, the bare minimum.
Unfortunately, it seems that English speaking reviewers do not have the ability to do long term over time GPU analysis or VRAM measurements. For some strange reason it is always on launch day and nothing else that matters. Meanwhile it is left to others to actually do big long term reviews. The site is however saying - stay away from 3GB of VRAM. Same way EN sites used repeatable GTA V benches and forgot that in the real game, rain affects VRAM usage... they just do not go in depth with the actual games...
Call of Duty sells more than WItcher 3 or STALKER and is (sadly) marketed towards Muricans, yet I do not care for it at all. It is junk these days
. And I am not from Germany.
You are claiming on what should happen, not I:
"Get a GTX1060 6GB. It costs the same as the RX480 8GB."
I do not give such absolutes. However a 3GB GPU is useless less it is very cheap
or low end
. That is just a fact. Recommend the 6GB GTX 1060, I do that as well. The 3GB one should be avoided at all costs less the person will upgrade for SURE in 1 year. And nothing is certain in this world but death and taxes.
Essentially you are doing some people a disservice with this 3GB nonsense. It is a good thing I did not listen to people like you back in 2009 with my ATI 5770... that is my problem.
"Most people aren't running games with mods that use huge texture packs either. That makes your "MOD" argument just as irrelevant as my overclocking argument."
The problem is that if some people do not care for mods then they do not care for games (since some games are effectively standalone games and/or expansion packs) in the first place. Something most console gamers can not understand for some reason, but I hope you can.
As for the PSU... I don't think 30 watts during gaming really matter even for the choice of PSU. If it were 60 or 80 or more... I could see some logic in that. Heat and Noise are unfortunately tied to how good of a cooler is used and the PCB. For example, even the Power Hog R9 390s with their 230+ watts (for the PCS, more for others) are cool and quiet with the over-engineered coolers they have. Since Nvidia requires less it also gets lesser cooling solutions. But even so these are minute 30 watt differences. Undervolting for advanced users, FRTC for the newbies can do the job.