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Having millions of people sending their credit card numbers to Microsoft every month won't fly. I also doubt Microsoft would prevent you from booting your OS if you miss a payment. And blocking Windows Update until you pay would be a security risk and be like holding your computer hostage.

It won't happen.

They made Windows 10 update so malware like that people en masse switched windows update off so I got no idea why you would think they are about security of those who are not paying.
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With those billions you hide under your bed? Right.
It would, or rather, it HAS had very little effect on console sales. You can already strip down your current Windows install to the point you are talking about. The gains are minimal, and absolutely no one does it for the same reason that no one plays games with no audio drivers installed despite r0ach's insistence that audio processing gives your cursor clown shoes and renders the user limbless.
Are you sating you want a world without money? I personally agree, but if you really feel that way, you should probably quit talking about how other people should spend their money or how you are willing to personally fund massive projects.

On the other hand, if you don't want a world without money, please explain your disdain for people who are better at money than you are (you know, those corporations and governments that you yourself present as experts in the field).

What I meant is that I would pay for the end product.

If money is your god and you live for the things of this world so be it.
 
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This is Microsoft. They care about profits and that's it. If a couple hundred people have their lives ruined because they can't afford the subscription, it's their fault for being poor.

Remember the woman who sued Microsoft and won because she accidentally her operating system upgraded to Windows 10 by itself? Do you really think MS wants to play Russian Roulette with everyone's computer?

This is different than say someone downloading a copy of Windows off [you know where] which was never legal to begin with.

I'm sure there could be a work around...like an ad-based Windows 10 with ads for tiles. Maybe that could be the alternative for having to pay. Similar to how software works in the real world.
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Ain't gonna happen.

No money = no development.

There is a reason that despite Linux being around forever, being free, having the largest number of people working on it, and almost every computer enthusiast pining to use it, etc, that no one actually does use it. No one is willing to invest the time and money required to properly develop it without some form of compensation. The only way to solve that problem is to tie your development to a company that is willing to fund it, and has plans to profit off it.

Um....What? You realize that Linux runs the vast majority of hardware in this world, thus being used by pretty much everyone either directly or indirectly? Further, if you're using Android you're using Linux (though not GNU/Linux like the PC uses). Plenty of companies fund or develop for it (even including MS). You need to specify the difference between Linux and desktop distros that use the Linux kernel.
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No, we need a stripped down version of Windows strictly for gaming....

How would that be possible? The source code isn't public and MS would sue the living crap out of anyone that even tried to make this happen. And as far as MS is concerned they have their consoles and making a specialized version of Windows for gaming would be "too costly and risky"; just look at WinRT.
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All corporations have their share holders, DEMANDING increased dividends every month hence the accountants and lawyers are always called in to make proposals to initiate extra means, to legally extort money from end-users.

The typical way all Corporates operate in the World today.

Hey, I think you need to attend one of those meetings. Trust me, no one asks accountants for those kinds of ideas because we're usually terrible at coming up with them. The closest we get to screwing users over is when we recommend cost cutting techniques. Its the marketing and business analysts/consultants that come up with these bad business strategies. I shudder whenever they speak at a meeting because these are the same guys who try to recognize revenues improperly just to get even the smallest bonus/perk (like $1k) and call you the bad guy for keeping the company from getting lax on such issues.
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Are you sating you want a world without money? I personally agree, but if you really feel that way, you should probably quit talking about how other people should spend their money or how you are willing to personally fund massive projects.

On the other hand, if you don't want a world without money, please explain your disdain for people who are better at money than you are (you know, those corporations and governments that you yourself present as experts in the field).

One can have disdain for people who "are better at money" because they exploit others or abuse systems to give themselves unfair advantages or remove the opportunities they used to get to where they are. I mean isn't that why we dislike athletes who dope? And also there's the issue of at what point does the hoarding of wealth actually have a negative effect on others.
     
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Ain't gonna happen.

No money = no development.

There is a reason that despite Linux being around forever, being free, having the largest number of people working on it, and almost every computer enthusiast pining to use it, etc, that no one actually does use it. No one is willing to invest the time and money required to properly develop it without some form of compensation. The only way to solve that problem is to tie your development to a company that is willing to fund it, and has plans to profit off it.


Not to mention support, proper support costs money.


Which is why the enterprise versions of linux COST MONEY.
 
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Well we are all willing to pay for windows,well most of us anyway.

100 bucks every 4-5 years or so seems fairly reasonable.I mean the software does have value for sure.

Microsoft is claiming that windows 10 is fully supported until 2020,so I don't think they will start charging money for those who have 10.

Although they are planning major changes to the functionality and experience of their"service"in those years,and claim if you don't stay updated you risk losing the service.

A quote published last year:

" A device needs to install the latest update to remain supported." "A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacking current drivers, or otherwise outside of the Original Equipment Manufacturer's ('OEM') support period."

Really makes you wonder what their plan is.
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Well we are all willing to pay for windows,well most of us anyway.

100 bucks every 4-5 years or so seems fairly reasonable.I mean the software does have value for sure.

Microsoft is claiming that windows 10 is fully supported until 2020,so I don't think they will start charging money for those who have 10.

Although they are planning major changes to the functionality and experience of their"service"in those years,and claim if you don't stay updated you risk losing the service.

A quote published last year:

" A device needs to install the latest update to remain supported." "A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacking current drivers, or otherwise outside of the Original Equipment Manufacturer's ('OEM') support period."

Really makes you wonder what their plan is.

That quote is all about them wanting to replicate Android in terms of cutting off outdated hardware and increasing turnover. Because they know OEMs will also want to keep turnover as high as possible they know that the OEMs will cut off their support for most systems every 2 years. So thus, by tapping into the OEMs' laziness they can sell more licenses to their primary purchasers (OEMs) who will have increased demand as every time they drop support for a device it will essentially become a paper weight which an ignorant consumer will assume is broken and needs to be replaced. Its kind of a brilliant move because MS won't need to charge the end consumer (except as they already do for those who buy their own licenses), the OEMs will get a boost in demand through planned obsolesence, and MS can get more revenue by increasing the price or frequency of licensing sales to said OEMs. TLDR; by shifting the access to updates to OEMs' schedules MS hopes to increase the frequency of users buying new computers or buying licenses from MS directly and thus decreasing the time they would go without collecting revenue from users.
     
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And here I am still using W7 with no issues.

Well, here I am using Win10 with no issues either. What's your point?
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As so many others have said, this has been the case with Enterprise editions for ages. I think this will be a good thing for companies, and I sincerely doubt it will ever come to regular consumers.
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