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Media an everyone in here has to understand that Elon Musk just doesn't give a damn biggrin.gif
If Tesla flops or they close it down? Nah - I'll just make something else. Maybe a spaceship? biggrin.gif
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The fact that they advertised and called this feature autopilot is what is going to win the lawsuits for anyone that ends up suing over these collisions (assuming Tesla won't settle). Autopilot has historically, always been a device, that replaces a person at the wheel. Whether that wheel is on a boat, car, airplane, or spaceship the meaning remains the same. No human input is necessary while on autopilot. Now you can post all you want about increased safety, idiot users, and RTFM arguments, but that is the bottom line. They called it autopilot and car manufacturer's are liable for their products.

There are disclaimers and its in the owners manual, they won't lose a single lawsuit. You don't win lawsuits for being an idiot, you win them if the company forgets to cover their arse, and they most certainly have in this case over how to properly use the "autopilot" feature.
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It's actually fairly impressive considering its the first generation of a truly self-driving car setting.
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Oh hey, mind updating the original post so that it reads a little less like a scandalous tabloid?





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Originally Posted by Tesla 
We got access to the logs. Data from the vehicle shows that Autosteer was not engaged at the time of this collision. Prior to the collision, Autosteer was in use periodically throughout the approximately 50-minute trip. The most recent such use ended when, approximately 40 seconds prior to the collision, the vehicle did not detect the driver’s hands on the wheel and began a rapidly escalating set of visual and audible alerts to ensure the driver took proper control. When the driver failed to respond to 15 seconds of visual warnings and audible tones, Autosteer began a graceful abort procedure in which the music is muted, the vehicle begins to slow and the driver is instructed both visually and audibly to place their hands on the wheel. Approximately 11 seconds prior to the collision, the driver responded and regained control by holding the steering wheel, applying leftward torque to turn it, and pressing the accelerator pedal to 42%. Over 10 seconds and approximately 300m later and while under manual steering control, the driver drifted out of the lane, collided with a barrier, overcorrected, crossed both lanes of the highway, struck a median barrier, and rolled the vehicle.


Jalopnik - source

Also, here's a link a video that shows what happens when you don't respond to the alerts from the autopilot. Had the driver not panicked and applied throttle, it would have turned out differently.


Edited by axiumone - 7/14/16 at 7:09pm
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Double post. Sorry.
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The fact that they advertised and called this feature autopilot is what is going to win the lawsuits for anyone that ends up suing over these collisions (assuming Tesla won't settle). Autopilot has historically, always been a device, that replaces a person at the wheel. Whether that wheel is on a boat, car, airplane, or spaceship the meaning remains the same. No human input is necessary while on autopilot. Now you can post all you want about increased safety, idiot users, and RTFM arguments, but that is the bottom line. They called it autopilot and car manufacturer's are liable for their products.

From wikipedia

"An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of a vehicle without constant 'hands-on' control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace a human operator, but assist them in controlling the vehicle, allowing them to focus on broader aspects of operation, such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.[1] Autopilots are used in aircraft, boats (known as self-steering gear), spacecraft, missiles, and others. Autopilots have evolved significantly over time, from early autopilots that merely held an attitude to modern autopilots capable of performing automated landings under the supervision of a pilot."

So no mention of autopilot being on a car and it specifically mentions that it doesn't replace a human operator and allows the human to monitor stuff like trajectory. Kinda like the dead guy wasn't monitoring anything. The name has no bearing on anything. Do you think if the makers of assault rifles all of a sudden started calling them "non assault rifles" that would change anything? I could call a horse a cow? Does that make it a cow? This argument over the name has to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard.
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Originally Posted by axiumone View Post

Oh hey, mind updating the original post so that it reads a little less like a scandalous tabloid?




Jalopnik - source

Also, here's a link a video that shows what happens when you don't respond to the alerts from the autopilot. Had the driver not panicked and applied throttle, it would have turned out differently.


I think for future liability concerns, tesla should disabled the accelerator until both hand are on the wheel.
post #58 of 92
User error. Nuff said
post #59 of 92
All it has to do is to be safer than the given human driver. Ofc it is damn hard for an automated system to tell how "good" is the driver and if it is better at it than the given human or not. It has certain advantages ofc like much better sensors, not blinking, getting sleepy, etc. But like all automated systems it's not 100% foolproof. So it is sold as a driving aid rather than automated driving feature I think? At least one of my friends who has one was saying that if using the autopilot the car keeps nagging at him if he does not hold the driving wheel.
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The fact that they advertised and called this feature autopilot is what is going to win the lawsuits for anyone that ends up suing over these collisions (assuming Tesla won't settle). Autopilot has historically, always been a device, that replaces a person at the wheel. Whether that wheel is on a boat, car, airplane, or spaceship the meaning remains the same. No human input is necessary while on autopilot. Now you can post all you want about increased safety, idiot users, and RTFM arguments, but that is the bottom line. They called it autopilot and car manufacturer's are liable for their products.

I'm sorry but that is incorrect. Autopilots do not lift the need of an operator keeping an overview on the course/altitude/whatever the function the autopilot fulfills. Also, autopilots have a quick way to be overridden in case anything goes wrong - that is the operator's responsibility, too.

Moreover, I am absolutely certain that there are explicit mentions and warnings that the autopilot should not be left to operate the vehicle without supervision.
I also have the feeling that basing your arguments around the name in a court case will give you zero ground.
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