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My wifes car has blind spot detection built into the side mirrors and light up when someone is in the blind spot. If it's not showing and I hit a car is it Toytotas fault? Doubt that would hold up.

Yes, that would hold up in court, assuming you have some sort of black box device that records the accident and the safety feature not working. Tesla's case is less black and white, so the % liability will be higher in this example than Tesla's for sure. Remember, the case is whether Tesla will be held at 0% liability or >0 liability, with liability it's not 0% or 100% (in case anyone is not familiar with this).
post #82 of 92
Tesla has said it not autopilot. they call it driver assist. from what i read and seen it keep the car at set distant. it can see around the car and act on driver wishes. yes drive around a other car to pass it, apply the brake when traffic slows down. the car can act to the lane next is empty but know it can't cross a white line, but if see empty and enough space it will move over but can not see the pole in the road ahead. so to me it is drivers error and
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Tesla has said it not autopilot. they call it driver assist. from what i read and seen it keep the car at set distant. it can see around the car and act on driver wishes. yes drive around a other car to pass it, apply the brake when traffic slows down. the car can act to the lane next is empty but know it can't cross a white line, but if see empty and enough space it will move over but can not see the pole in the road ahead. so to me it is drivers error and

Not exactly correct. From the Model X options page.

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Tesla has said it not autopilot. they call it driver assist. from what i read and seen it keep the car at set distant. it can see around the car and act on driver wishes. yes drive around a other car to pass it, apply the brake when traffic slows down. the car can act to the lane next is empty but know it can't cross a white line, but if see empty and enough space it will move over but can not see the pole in the road ahead. so to me it is drivers error and

This Tesla video on Tesla's website does not advertise a driver assist feature it advertises an autopilot.

https://www.teslamotors.com/videos/enhance-your-commute-autopilot
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Just because that's an example doesn't mean you would be definitely be held liable. What about you build a fence but a kid climbs it and drowns. Can you sue the homeowners association cause they have a height limit on the fence? What if you leave your keys in your car and a neighborhood kid steals it and runs someone over. Is that your fault since you left your keys in the car? My wifes car has blind spot detection built into the side mirrors and light up when someone is in the blind spot. If it's not showing and I hit a car is it Toytotas fault? Doubt that would hold up.

If a kid gets into your pool and drowns, yes you will have liability; how much who knows. Yes if you leave your keys in your car kid steals, blah, blah, blah, you have some liability. If you can prove Toyota's blind spot detection did not work as it should (probably can't be proven, but if you could) Toyota would have some liability. A trespasser can hurt themselves on your property and sue you and win, and in Texas you can shoot them and avoid the lawsuit.
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If a kid gets into your pool and drowns, yes you will have liability; how much who knows. Yes if you leave your keys in your car kid steals, blah, blah, blah, you have some liability. If you can prove Toyota's blind spot detection did not work as it should (probably can't be proven, but if you could) Toyota would have some liability. A trespasser can hurt themselves on your property and sue you and win, and in Texas you can shoot them and avoid the lawsuit.

Kids get in our pool without permission, dump the bodys back in their yard. This is rediculous that we even entertain these lawsuits.
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Kids get in our pool without permission, dump the bodys back in their yard. This is rediculous that we even entertain these lawsuits.

Judges and even juries could effectively put a stop to these nuisance lawsuits, but they don't.
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Dangerous as hell and 100% mistake of the driver to not be in control of the vehicle. Stopping on highway is prohibited.

That beeping won't wake up anyone.

Also what does the autosteer do when I draw the lines on the road going into the ditch? Just drive off the road? What if a truck suddenly pulls in front from a side road? Will it do an automatic moose maneuver or just hammer the brakes and hit the truck?
These autosteering and autothrottle systems are a death sentence on a road where 99%+ of vehicles aren't autonomous and do not communicate with each other and that is on a perfect road without road defects, lines defects, sign defects, road construction, random crap on road, ...

It was 100% driver mistake that he's a dumbo, sleeps while driving and when woken up by alarms steers the car into collision trajectory.


Also what will the autopilot do when you tailgate it, push it from behind etc.? That gotta be fun tongue.gif
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Kids get in our pool without permission, dump the bodys back in their yard. This is rediculous that we even entertain these lawsuits.

I agree, if a kid enters onto your property without permission adn then uses your belonings without your permission and then ends up injured or dead because they broke the law, how is it your liability as the owner?

Someone broke the law and got themselves killed or hurt because of it. It wasn't negligence on your part, you had no say in the kid doing what they did. To me it seems pretty clear cut that the liability for the issue lies with the kid as it was their decision. in outlier situations where the kid needed constant supervision it would be the guardian's liability.
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I agree, if a kid enters onto your property without permission adn then uses your belonings without your permission and then ends up injured or dead because they broke the law, how is it your liability as the owner?

Someone broke the law and got themselves killed or hurt because of it. It wasn't negligence on your part, you had no say in the kid doing what they did. To me it seems pretty clear cut that the liability for the issue lies with the kid as it was their decision. in outlier situations where the kid needed constant supervision it would be the guardian's liability.

Looking at it from the opposite side of pond common sense seems to have little to do with the court case outcomes if you put twelve dudes who are not smart enough to get off the hook deciding what is right.
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