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post #101 of 4141
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I meant independent tongue.gif I never trust numbers from manufacturers, they always show the best numbers they can to make their product look good.
Like PCGH showed XFX DD 480 in a preview. Which doesn't hold boost clock without power limit increase.

Asus did include the numbers and the benches / games they used. I would think its sustained - but agree we will have to wait to see.

These gains i predicted the moment i saw the boost clock holding numbers on the ref cards, dropping further away in 1440p and seriously in 4k. Its not magic , simply allow the bios more power target / better cooling and you're there holding the boost clocks more readily.
post #102 of 4141
0.010 kW = 10 W idle difference.
0.030 kW = 30 W in game.

16h/day = 8h game + 8h idle
0.33 USD/kWh

8*0.010+8*0.030 = 0.32kWh a day = 0.32*0.33 = 0.1056 USD a day = 0.1056*365 = 38.544 USD a year

Now 38 USD a year is noticeable and can be factored into buying a more efficient albeit slightly more expensive GPU.
So will it be a $239 RX 480 (if there will be any custom for $239 to speak of) or $249 custom 1060? In one year that makes the 1060 cheaper when you count in power requirements.

Of course if you use your PC less, just divide it by 2 and get a more realistic "normal" person value. 17 USD a year still can be counted in wink.gif

Or did I mess up the math somewhere? Doesn't seem like it to me.
Edited by JackCY - 7/19/16 at 2:15pm
post #103 of 4141
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0.010 kW = 10 W idle difference.
0.030 kW = 30 W in game.

16h/day = 8h game + 8h idle
0.33 USD/kWh

8*0.010+8*0.030 = 0.32kWh a day = 0.32*0.33 = 0.1056 USD a day = 0.1056*365 = 38.544 USD a year

Now 38 USD a year is noticeable and can be factored into buying a more efficient albeit slightly more expensive GPU.

Well your maths looks sound but your criteria is way off , who in their right mind games 8 hrs per day apart from out of control kids ? i mean seriously anyone working can't . Often computers are off when you go to work / school too so i dont agree with the 8 hrs idling.

Also you show there its taking more than a year of playing nvidia optimised titles to get even near cost parity (at 8 hrs a day gaming lol )- if you play doom / hitman / AOTS or some others its not even a valid arguement as vsync will lower 480 power draw to 1060 levels or less.

So i think BEST case over the lifetime you own the card the 1060 extra cost may repay itself in power savings, but you will have to play mainly dx11 games and have no life playing 8 hrs per day .
post #104 of 4141
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

0.010 kW = 10 W idle difference.
0.030 kW = 30 W in game.

16h/day = 8h game + 8h idle
0.33 USD/kWh

8*0.010+8*0.030 = 0.32kWh a day = 0.32*0.33 = 0.1056 USD a day = 0.1056*365 = 38.544 USD a year

Now 38 USD a year is noticeable and can be factored into buying a more efficient albeit slightly more expensive GPU.
So will it be a $239 RX 480 (if there will be any custom for $239 to speak of) or $249 custom 1060? In one year that makes the 1060 cheaper when you count in power requirements.

Of course if you use your PC less, just divide it by 2 and get a more realistic "normal" person value. 17 USD a year still can be counted in wink.gif

Or did I mess up the math somewhere? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Where do you live that you pay $0.33 per kwh? Mine is $0.09 a kwh.

Also they said that they will lower the idle power draw.
 
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post #105 of 4141
It's still 17 USD a year with 4h game + 4h idle, which is realistic if the non working only gaming or working from home option doesn't suit you smile.gif
Vsync? No chance with me, I aim at 90fps+ no sync.

Europe has expensive power. I don't have the paper here anymore to check so I took Germany which is next door, most companies here are owned by German companies etc. can expect similar price gouging.

Sure the difference is not that big with these new cards but on 28nm with Maxwell vs 290-390x hell that difference was massive in power. Still that $10 current difference between cards will go away in 1 year no problem on electric bill.

AMD still didn't do the necessary HW changes to lower the idle power. They can't fix architecture issue frown.gif It's the same as older AMD GPUs. That's not to say it's always bad, Nvidia cards get pig hungry with multi monitor too and even with 60 vs 144Hz the 1060 eats more power, it's in one of the reviews that does these comparisons, I think a German review site it was. I guess NV disables unused outputs and the corresponding HW on the card or in chip but AMD doesn't. So NV eats more power the more monitors you connect and the faster their refresh rate is even getting more power hungry than AMD. AMD didn't seem to suffer from that. But on a single 60Hz monitor NV still has better idle power consumption.
Edited by JackCY - 7/19/16 at 2:34pm
post #106 of 4141
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It's still 17 USD a year with 4h game + 4h idle, which is realistic if the non working only gaming or working from home option doesn't suit you smile.gif
Vsync? No chance with me, I aim at 90fps+ no sync.

Europe has expensive power. I don't have the paper here anymore to check so I took Germany which is next door, most companies here are owned by German companies etc. can expect similar price gouging.

Sure the difference is not that big with these new cards but on 28nm with Maxwell vs 290-390x hell that difference was massive in power. Still that $10 current difference between cards will go away in 1 year no problem on electric bill.

AMD still didn't do the necessary HW changes to lower the idle power. They can't fix architecture issue frown.gif It's the same as older AMD GPUs.

I can't think of a single responsible adult that games 4 hours a day. I would say 2 max for most people.

I would be careful of saying what they can and cant do. They fixed the power draw issue like they said they could when others doubted them.
 
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post #107 of 4141
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Of course if you use your PC less, just divide it by 2 and get a more realistic "normal" person value. 17 USD a year still can be counted in wink.gif

Or did I mess up the math somewhere? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Thats a little bit more realistic i think, 3 years to recoup the difference against the FE version . You were saying before people upgrade more often than that so i think by your own admission "normal" people will never see the cost benefit of paying more for a 1060 than a 480 if power costs are their concern.
Edited by Orthello - 7/19/16 at 4:00pm
post #108 of 4141
Power draw issue on 480? They fixed the split by instructing the power controller. But the overall power consumption is the same or higher than before 16.7.2 driver or what's it's name.

4h/day, ok I'm not a responsible adult biggrin.gif
post #109 of 4141
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Power draw issue on 480? They fixed the split by instructing the power controller. But the overall power consumption is the same or higher than before 16.7.2 driver or what's it's name.

4h/day, ok I'm not a responsible adult biggrin.gif

They got extra performance from that driver too , in AAA titles . Up to 7% from what i saw. It actually improved their performance / watt slightly in those games.

Yes your "Normal" i could dream of lol .. i get about 10 hrs per week if lucky.
post #110 of 4141
I heard consoles use less power than a PC, and I think I also heard some CEO said consoles are more powerful than the GTX Titan.
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