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Do you think it's better to wait then? I don't want to wait until Vega. Do you think the prices will come down soon?

It depends on where you are buying. Not every region has issues with supply.
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Welcome to the waiting game. My 1060 order just changed to 32 days expected delivery to their warehouse. When in fact they were showing pick up today when I ordered and hoped to pick up on Monday and other shops that sell for a little more the same card did indeed get resupplied...
Meanwhile shop I've written to about Sapphire 480s and called today 3 times did not reply nor pick up the phone once now shows 7.9. that they should get Sapphire 480s...

This supply situation is pathetic on both Nvidia and AMD side, AMD worse IMHO. Most shops just keep moving dates if they even show any and almost never get anything supplied. This really reminds of the communist times when you had to wait months to buy modern products and cars.

How well is Sapphire binning those chips? How much more OC can you get from the 1342MHz OC version compared to 1306MHz nonOC on average?

Are you trying to get both a 1060 and a 480 or are you just going to stick with the one shipped first? From my POV the 480 is the clear choice out of the two - performance in DOOM and Deus Ex is phenomenal for the price and the impression is the card is much more equipped to deal with low-level api developed titles coming now and the future. My choice was either a 480 or 1070 but the latter's prices left a bad taste in my mouth in all honesty.

I don't mind waiting a little for Amazon to get the stock. I could have got it now but that would mean paying £250-260 but I've got a few things I'm busy with right now so it's no prob to wait and save a bit of cash thumb.gif

I think the only difference between the OC and non-OC Nitro+ is the clockspeed.
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I basically had to return my RX 480 to best buy because literally it would randomly just not post a display right before booting into Windows 10. I tried legacy boot options, changing the UEFI switch on the card itself, different drivers, fresh Windows 10 install and it would still do it. I tried switching off onboard graphics and it made it to the point where I couldn't even get into windows. Tried updating the bios as well and it seemed it liked to freeze when i tried to change the resolution to something that worked on my gtx 950. 1440p and 4k would work but not 1080p lol. It would just freeze the computer and i tried to go into safe mode and it wouldnt even work on the lowest resolution.

I think it might be my motherboard even though its a Skylake chipset, but its a 50 dollar motherboard and I remember my friend having a huge issue getting his 290 to work on a 760g low end AMD motherboard and had to get a 970 chipset Asrock and he had no issues after that.

I put my 950 back in and it didn't give any weird issues like the 480 did so im wondering what would cause it not to boot into windows sometimes.

I just don't understand why AMD won't make a disclaimer that these 256 bit cards can't just run on any PCI Express 3.0 motherboard like it should. It seems like you have to have a high end board to use cards like this but they never tell anyone that. This is also NOT a reference 480 so it shouldnt have the problems the reference do.

I am using a 470 now and I am going to see if it was just a power overload issue on the PCIe bus that the motherboard can't handle. I just wish AMD would work on their quality control.....
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I basically had to return my RX 480 to best buy because literally it would randomly just not post a display right before booting into Windows 10. I tried legacy boot options, changing the UEFI switch on the card itself, different drivers, fresh Windows 10 install and it would still do it. I tried switching off onboard graphics and it made it to the point where I couldn't even get into windows. Tried updating the bios as well and it seemed it liked to freeze when i tried to change the resolution to something that worked on my gtx 950. 1440p and 4k would work but not 1080p lol. It would just freeze the computer and i tried to go into safe mode and it wouldnt even work on the lowest resolution.

I think it might be my motherboard even though its a Skylake chipset, but its a 50 dollar motherboard and I remember my friend having a huge issue getting his 290 to work on a 760g low end AMD motherboard and had to get a 970 chipset Asrock and he had no issues after that.

I put my 950 back in and it didn't give any weird issues like the 480 did so im wondering what would cause it not to boot into windows sometimes.

I just don't understand why AMD won't make a disclaimer that these 256 bit cards can't just run on any PCI Express 3.0 motherboard like it should. It seems like you have to have a high end board to use cards like this but they never tell anyone that. This is also NOT a reference 480 so it shouldnt have the problems the reference do.

I am using a 470 now and I am going to see if it was just a power overload issue on the PCIe bus that the motherboard can't handle. I just wish AMD would work on their quality control.....

None of that is the case. Im using an RX 470 on a Sandy bridge CPU, PCIe 2.0, it has none of those problems and others have no problems on PCIe 3.0. 3rd party boards are not QCd by AMD either.

MB BIOS can be responsible, faulty GPU can as well (this happens on NV and AMD based cards).
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None of that is the case. Im using an RX 470 on a Sandy bridge CPU, PCIe 2.0, it has none of those problems and others have no problems on PCIe 3.0. 3rd party boards are not QCd by AMD either.

MB BIOS can be responsible, faulty GPU can as well (this happens on NV and AMD based cards).


You have a high end board and using a 470, i am talking about low end boards and 480 in terms of power draw
    
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Hows my overclock ? https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/apwgs
Has anyone managed to push their rx 470 higher than this?
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Hows my overclock ? https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/apwgs
Has anyone managed to push their rx 470 higher than this?

I haven't. Pushed into the low 1400's with 1925 memory clocks but started to see negative performance scaling. Also, reference cooler is wicked loud over ~1300. Need to get a pump/reservoir and a block so I can put it under water. I have an AIO, but don't want to ghetto rig it, would rather go with a small pump and full cover block.
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Do you think it's better to wait then? I don't want to wait until Vega. Do you think the prices will come down soon?
IMHO the supply BS with mid range cards will not go away until 2017 unless there is some magic fleet of ships stuck at sea right now full of cards to be supplied.
Prices are going up not down, at start the prices were sometimes at MSRP but the more retailers and distributors realize how bad the supply is the mare they raise the prices because they can get away with it.
There are currently only 3 markets I know about that sometimes offer fair prices and borderline acceptable availability: USA, UK, Germany. Practically the biggest 1st world markets. Everything else is FUBAR. I would have already bought some card from Mindfactory.de Germany but their shipping to me is like 30EUR+ if they even ship here at all and that is a neighboring country with Germany... Caseking.de was the only reasonable option for me for a German shop but those have raised all prices and refuse to go down to reasonable offers and availability.

There is really nothing one can do other than preorder and wait. Problem is some shops are better some worse at handling preorders/orders. Not all are friendly enough to allow one to easily cancel the order before it's fulfilled, paid. Otherwise I would have ordered a card in every damn shop that has a decent offer for a card I would buy.

I've even asked now a person from ASUS Taiwan what's up with this poor availability on many markets when letting him know my RMA is finally resolved after 3.5 months. A local shop just added KFA2 cards on my request but did not add the specific cheapest available 1070 on EU market that I asked about frown.gif

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@dlee7283:
You're not pulling any serious watts booting into Windows etc. it's your cheapo board or a faulty GPU.

@Shatun-Bear:
I'm trying to justify getting a Nitro 480 as it is the only I can get in my country beside couple shops having overpriced XFXs.
I've done all I can today with one shop to get a hold of them and a reply on the availability, no luck. If I can't get a hold of them on Monday then I'm not even inclined to place an order with them at all for any price as that just means trouble when shop doesn't answer emails nor picks up phones.
The places that offer any decent prices on 480s are close to none and ordering from Germany is not good price wise either as they've raised prices too at least the shop that would ship at a reasonable cost to me.
And I can't get a hold of KFA2 GTX 1070 EX either, the cheapest 1070 in Europe.

I've paid about $186 for my 280x and gotten that back while spending 3.5 months and $15 on RMA shipping. So kind of half of 1060/480 gets paid by previous card. 1060s also come with game code that can be sold. 480s come with nothing, not even newest Doom or Deus Ex, none, nil. Instead AMD is promoting CPUs with those kind of games and prebuilt crap systems, pretty much the stuff no one wants to buy anymore.

I got the 1060 ordered for $260. The 480s are nearly impossible to find at that price in any shop. $270+ for the lowest binned version. The 1060s aren't binned and OC well in general. 4xx it's a hit or miss with OC especially when they bin the chips and reserve better ones for the more expensive versions.

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Donate me that AIO tongue.gif
Edited by JackCY - 9/2/16 at 1:21pm
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im done with AMD this gen. I literally replaced my 480 with a 470 to see if it would work correctly but of course it has to black screen again.

I play killing floor, change the resolution to 1080p and the computer freezes and wont boot into windows again. i magically insert a 950 and guess what, windows boots!.
its only using the WIndows driver and it still is smart enough to know to default back to the resolution before you changed it in-game...


I am going to wait until the 1060 comes down in price and get that, im sick of dealing with bugs all in the name of saving a few bucks.
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im done with AMD this gen. I literally replaced my 480 with a 470 to see if it would work correctly but of course it has to black screen again.

I play killing floor, change the resolution to 1080p and the computer freezes and wont boot into windows again. i magically insert a 950 and guess what, windows boots!.
its only using the WIndows driver and it still is smart enough to know to default back to the resolution before you changed it in-game...


I am going to wait until the 1060 comes down in price and get that, im sick of dealing with bugs all in the name of saving a few bucks.

I'm the same boat as you man, done almost the exactly same step you've done to resolve this matter

I flashed my 290 with countless custom bioses and they're fine

but then I uninstalled the driver and it just wont give signal to my monitor anymore

funny because "flashing bios" often pictured as the more dangerous thing to do rather than updating the driver via DDU

I really didn't want to spend anymore for gpu till this incident kicks in

I might go with the 1070 after this lol (about $100-150 more than the RX 480 in my place)
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