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Just got a few replies from local shops, looking for reference 4GB RX 480, it seems like the distributors do not want to forward them to retailers and one shops specifically says that the AMD distributor is backing off from from 4GB version. Bummer. I suppose that one wave of 4GB reference cards to meet the $199 was it and now they won't restock them and wait for custom cards to fill in the 4GB gap.

I hope that's not true, but I can't say if be surprised as the 4gb is a great price to performance card
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Just got a few replies from local shops, looking for reference 4GB RX 480, it seems like the distributors do not want to forward them to retailers and one shops specifically says that the AMD distributor is backing off from from 4GB version. Bummer. I suppose that one wave of 4GB reference cards to meet the $199 was it and now they won't restock them and wait for custom cards to fill in the 4GB gap.

I hope that's not true, but I can't say if be surprised as the 4gb is a great price to performance card

If its true I take back all the good things I said and defended about the RX 480. Not everyone wants to purchase out of faith on launch day and then those of us that wait to see results get stuck for weeks or months until restock. Red is doing same thing green did and it's ridiculous.

Mining has screwed GPU availability up also.
 
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Ummm.... why are you guys so slow on this one?

http://overclocking.guide/download/amd-radeon-rx-480-unlocked-air-bios/

Use Asus GPU Tweak 2 apparently.

1450mhz-1500mhz would put this card in 980ti territory.
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Because any VBIOS won't change the fact how the HW chip scales and clocks with added voltage.

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480 8GB is available here, but it's priced higher than MSRP because of distributors and retailers gauging the prices and AMD not stomping on them.
Dunno how much mining is affecting prices and stock but to me it seems like Nvidia and it's CUDA is able to mine as well as AMD cards the current cryptorubbish.
Edited by JackCY - 7/20/16 at 5:18pm
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Anandtech will release a RX 480 review soon.

Meanwhile, you can take a look at their GTX 1080 review that they JUST posted.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

Way to go. Only 2 month late.
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Because any VBIOS won't change the fact how the HW chip scales and clocks with added voltage.

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480 8GB is available here, but it's priced higher than MSRP because of distributors and retailers gauging the prices and AMD not stomping on them.
Dunno how much mining is affecting prices and stock but to me it seems like Nvidia and it's CUDA is able to mine as well as AMD cards the current cryptorubbish.

That BIOS comes from der8auer.

Watercooling/DICE/LN2 need only apply.

Maybe some small gains on air. I don't know. Don't kill the messenger pal.
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Thought i'd mention this for what its worth.

RX480 here in New Zealand , NZD $499 - $529 sold out . GTX 1060 here in New Zealand $599 - $669. All AIB cards - selling well ( according to the vendor ).

So much for AIB pricing starting at $249 usd ... as that would translate to $499-529 bracket here of the RX480.

Not sure how it is around different countries but with that sort of price difference i think the only thing selling the cards is the RX480 is out of stock.
Edited by Orthello - 7/20/16 at 6:31pm
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Anandtech will release a RX 480 review soon.

Meanwhile, you can take a look at their GTX 1080 review that they JUST posted.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

Way to go. Only 2 month late.

I like their reviews but yeah its almost so late its not worth reading them , i guess the good thing is they are so late you may see updated drivers come into play before they release the review .

It will be interesting on the RX480 review to see what driver they actually use. Maybe that's the delay - had to rerun the numbers once already , maybe twice by the time they get it out wink.gif

AIBs for the 480 will be out by their review of the ref 480 i'd pick even.
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0.010 kW = 10 W idle difference.
0.030 kW = 30 W in game.

16h/day = 8h game + 8h idle
0.33 USD/kWh

8*0.010+8*0.030 = 0.32kWh a day = 0.32*0.33 = 0.1056 USD a day = 0.1056*365 = 38.544 USD a year

Now 38 USD a year is noticeable and can be factored into buying a more efficient albeit slightly more expensive GPU.
So will it be a $239 RX 480 (if there will be any custom for $239 to speak of) or $249 custom 1060? In one year that makes the 1060 cheaper when you count in power requirements.

Of course if you use your PC less, just divide it by 2 and get a more realistic "normal" person value. 17 USD a year still can be counted in wink.gif

Or did I mess up the math somewhere? Doesn't seem like it to me.

You did miss one thing. The cost to run the 1060. So using your numbers for power $38, let's just use some example numbers from here.
Let's just say both cards are same cost. Let's just say the 1060 uses half the power. So $38 for 480 and $19 for 1060. You would save $19 the first year and second year would be the difference between the two. So it would take you two years to save the yearly power bill off the 480.
Hope that makes sense.
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That comes in 2017 with HBM2.

Don't go for dual GPUs as always it only works well in selected titles and there still aren't many Vulkan/DX12 titles with multi GPU support. It's up to devs with newer low level APIs. Even Nvidia is running away from SLI as fast as it can even for them it's not worth the money to maintain it I believe they are phasing it out. Dual 480s do pack a punch when the program using them can use them properly but the moment you get some old game you're down to single 480 performance.
Unless your 1080 suffers one of the 5-7 issues present in Paxwell and it affects you, you shouldn't switch to dual 480s. While I would happily convert ya, you wouldn't be happy probably having 50%? less performance from a card that costs 30% when running in single GPU in unsupported games.

No offense but ... you don't really have a proper bead on things.

Roughly 99% of games you'd ever think of playing on your dual 480 setup ... will make use of Crossfire & SLI beautifully.

It's not 'old' games that have an issue with multi-gpu (unless you're talking REALLY REALLY old), the 'issue' (a very minor one) is that there's no SLI/Crossfire support for the DX12 pipeline.

However, I don't know if even a single game exists that doesn't have DX11/DX12 cross-compatibility (the main DX12 titles out now, RoTR, AoTS & Hitman, all have both iirc), and there probably won't BE such a game out (at least not a AAA one) for many years (like 3, minimum). So to use your Xfire, you have to play in DX11 mode. So what?

IOW just because these are 'DX12' cards, and there's no support for Crossfire & SLI in DX12 (yet ... not sure it's impossible though) that doesn't mean these cards aren't going to work just as well in XFire as all the older AMD/ATI cards did, when playing DX11 (and below) games.

So ... you don't have to 'wait' for devs to start making use of multi-gpu low-level API coding in DX12 games to make use of two 480's in Xfire ... but you'll have to wait for games that'll make use of multi-gpu in the new DX12 NON-crossfire (i.e. non-AFR) mode. I.E. something basically none of us have even seen 'done' yet ... and hence have little idea as whether it'll be significantly better than AFR-mode, nor 'how' it will be better if it is.

Also, NV isn't running away from SLI, they're just not offering it on the GTX1060, and I can almost guarantee you that's because of issues related to the remaining stock levels of cards like GTX970, 980, and 980Ti. Not to mention, they've probably learned their lesson about putting out a $500 SLI setups that easily compete with their $650 (GTX1080) top-end part. That setup would also cut into GTX1070 sales a bit as well, being definitely faster for not that much more. Don't be surprised though when, in about 6 months ... there's suddenly a 1060 "SLI edition" or perhaps a dual-gpu on one board part.

Rumors of the demise of SLI/Crossfire are being greatly exaggerated, IMHO.

They won't 'die' unless/until the Consoles switch to DX12 or some equivalent.

Also IMHO, that might never happen, because the notion of developers writing a bunch of special code to take advantage of multi-gpu rigs specifically (code which is VERY simple when you're talking AFR, but the DX12 equivalent is not nearly as much so), when the market share for multi-gpu's is SO friggin' low ... strikes me as 'highly unlikely to take off'. I think it's far more likely we'll eventually see SLI/Xfire support ... for DX12.

BTW, Xfire support in the 480 is a MAJOR selling point vs. the 1060, and AMD should be pimping the heck out of that.

I think 8MB is overkill on a single card of this performance level, but 2 of them in Xfire? NOW, you're probably talking about enough horsepower to make some use of a framebuffer of that size ... you can probably rock some 4K games w/very high res textures and such with 2 of these cards.

If one of the AIB's comes out with a, say, $400 dual-gpu version of the 480 8MB, with everything in the power section tweaked well, so there's minimal throttling, one that holds a solid OC ... they could have themselves a monster seller on their hands ... a card that competes well with the 1080 on most titles ... for $400? There'd be a BIG market.

Then again ... maybe Vega is gonna fill that role ...
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