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Figured Id show you guys what happened to my 290x xP pcb is bubbled slightly and is actually damaged by the rupture of the VRM (sorry couldnt get closer) decided on the Sapphire Nitro 470 Ill be getting it this week


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Figured Id show you guys what happened to my 290x xP pcb is bubbled slightly and is actually damaged by the rupture of the VRM (sorry couldnt get closer) decided on the Sapphire Nitro 470 Ill be getting it this week


This is ugly.. Sorry dude.
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Figured Id show you guys what happened to my 290x xP pcb is bubbled slightly and is actually damaged by the rupture of the VRM (sorry couldnt get closer) decided on the Sapphire Nitro 470 Ill be getting it this week
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Ouch.  What kind of overclock were you running on it?

 


 

@neptunex

 

DX12 Stock Settings 16.7.3 - 69.06 FPS

DX12 Stock Settings 16.9.1 - 69.24 FPS

Gain: 0.2%

 

DX12 OC 16.7.3 - 76.94 FPS 

DX12 OC 16.9.1 - 77.40 FPS

Gain: 0.6%

 

DX12 OC Tess OFF 16.7.3 - 83.34 FPS

DX12 OC Tess OFF 16.9.1 - 78.45 FPS

Gain: -5.9%

 

Card runs fine at stock settings, but applying my OC gives artifacting only during the second scene.  I have never seen any kind of artifacting in this game for the bench or any time playing it at these settings.  

 

I tried reducing and then eliminating my RAM OC and it didn't help the artifacting.  I then tried increasing core voltage all the way to +102mV from +24mV and it didn't help the artifacting.  I tried reducing my core overclock to 1375, then 1350, and it actually made the artifacting worse somehow. :thinking:  I then figured screw it, if going down is worse artifacting let's go up!  Set 1425 core without adding voltage and windows crashed :laugher:

 

I may try scrubbing and installing the drivers again, but I have a bday party to attend and won't be back home for a while. 

 

Currently I would say 16.9.1 doesn't hold any tangible benefits for RotTR, and these drivers may negatively impact OC performance.  I would have to try running Time Spy to see how it acts there.

 

Edit:

 

No negative effects in Time Spy it would appear

 


Edited by Roboyto - 9/18/16 at 11:03am
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Ouch.  What kind of overclock were you running on it?

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DX12 Stock Settings 16.7.3 - 69.06 FPS
DX12 Stock Settings 16.9.1 - 69.24 FPS
Gain: 0.2%

DX12 OC 16.7.3 - 76.94 FPS 
DX12 OC 16.9.1 - 77.40 FPS
Gain: 0.6%

DX12 OC Tess OFF 16.7.3 - 83.34 FPS
DX12 OC Tess OFF 16.9.1 - 78.45 FPS
Gain: -5.9%

Card runs fine at stock settings, but applying my OC gives artifacting only during the second scene.  I have never seen any kind of artifacting in this game for the bench or any time playing it at these settings.  

I tried reducing and then eliminating my RAM OC and it didn't help the artifacting.  I then tried increasing core voltage all the way to +102mV from +24mV and it didn't help the artifacting.  I tried reducing my core overclock to 1375, then 1350, and it actually made the artifacting worse somehow. thinking.gif   I then figured screw it, if going down is worse artifacting let's go up!  Set 1425 core without adding voltage and windows crashed laugher.gif

I may try scrubbing and installing the drivers again, but I have a bday party to attend and won't be back home for a while. 

Currently I would say 16.9.1 doesn't hold any tangible benefits for RotTR, and these drivers may negatively impact OC performance.  I would have to try running Time Spy to see how it acts there.

Edit:

No negative effects in Time Spy it would appear



lol was a meager +75mv and 1125mhz core 1450mhz memory xD the VRMS didnt even pass 70c it was just defective

All temps had been in good healthy ranges and didnt even pump much voltage into it
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I disagree, because GPU obviously crashes if I set core to 900, is unstable on 930, works fine and cool on 940, and is hotter on 1000, so definitely the voltage changes below the 1000 mV set for memory. What is your source on this?

The source is my reference RX 480 and various monitoring tools. Start a monitoring tool of your choice (GPU-Z, HWiNFO, WattTool). Set the "memory voltage" in WattMan to 1000mV. Set your GPU voltage to something less than 1000mV. Drag around a window (will bring memory to its performance state, but most likely not max out the GPU). Watch GPU VID to match the 1000mV you set for "memory voltage". Only when the GPU clocks up but memory stays at 300MHz (happens occasionally), you will see the GPU VID below 1000mV. This can/will cause instability. The second loop of the IR3567B is not populated and the other VRM controllers are very simple ones. I think, its unlikely that there is a second dynamic voltage plane.
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The source is my reference RX 480 and various monitoring tools. Start a monitoring tool of your choice (GPU-Z, HWiNFO, WattTool). Set the "memory voltage" in WattMan to 1000mV. Set your GPU voltage to something less than 1000mV. Drag around a window (will bring memory to its performance state, but most likely not max out the GPU). Watch GPU VID to match the 1000mV you set for "memory voltage". Only when the GPU clocks up but memory stays at 300MHz (happens occasionally), you will see the GPU VID below 1000mV. This can/will cause instability. The second loop of the IR3567B is not populated and the other VRM controllers are very simple ones. I think, its unlikely that there is a second dynamic voltage plane.

These readings are wrong, mate, I am certain of it. There is no other explanation on why my card keeps lower temperature in 3DMark loop when at 930 mV compared to 1000 mV.

GPU-Z's VDDC reading doesn't even react in increments lower than 250 mV on my PC, it is definitely a wrong reading.

Also, if AMD did something like Intel did with Haswell CPUs' power delivery, VDDC is not an accurate reading of actual core voltage, because there are other internal voltage regulators. I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm saying it's a possibility since these readings are definitely off.
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These readings are wrong, mate, I am certain of it. There is no other explanation on why my card keeps lower temperature in 3DMark loop when at 930 mV compared to 1000 mV.

GPU-Z's VDDC reading doesn't even react in increments lower than 250 mV on my PC, it is definitely a wrong reading.

Also, if AMD did something like Intel did with Haswell CPUs' power delivery, VDDC is not an accurate reading of actual core voltage, because there are other internal voltage regulators. I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm saying it's a possibility since these readings are definitely off.

Thats something i can not reproduce. Going below the "memory voltage" has absolutely no effect for me. For me VDDC and VOUT readings are totally consistent and plausible. Internal voltage regulation could be possible. That would actually require the external VRM to provide the maximum voltage used, because it can only be regulated down from there. But that would require some quite cappable ICs hidden somewhere.
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Thats something i can not reproduce. Going below the "memory voltage" has absolutely no effect for me. For me VDDC and VOUT readings are totally consistent and plausible. Internal voltage regulation could be possible. That would actually require the external VRM to provide the maximum voltage used, because it can only be regulated down from there. But that would require some quite cappable ICs hidden somewhere.

So if you lock your fan to a specific RPM, and you run, say, Kombustor for 10 minutes, you get no difference in temperature between 1000 mV and 950 mV? What brand is your 480? This should be investigated.
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Currently I would say 16.9.1 doesn't hold any tangible benefits for RotTR, and these drivers may negatively impact OC performance.  I would have to try running Time Spy to see how it acts there.


Thanks for benches! It seems that 16.9.1 is meh, most of the users report gains in Witcher, which leads me to believe that improvement is rather game specific. Oh well.
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Thanks for benches! It seems that 16.9.1 is meh, most of the users report gains in Witcher, which leads me to believe that improvement is rather game specific. Oh well.

As much as I love benching and testing things...non-WHQL drivers aren't my favorite. I rarely use them unless there is some specific fix/large performance boost I can benefit from.
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i7 4790k Delidded Gigabyte Z97-MX Gaming 5 Sapphire RX 480  
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Panasonic UJ-265 Slim 6X Blu-ray Writer DeepCool Gamer Storm Captain 240 CoolLaboratory Liquid Ultra SilenX Effizio Thermistor 
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XSPC X2O 420 XSPC EX240 Windows 10 Pro Sharp Aquos 60" 120Hz 
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Intel Core i7 4770k Delidded ASUS Z87 Gryphon XFX R9 290 Black Edition 
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XSPC Razor  Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB 2400 MHz Crucial M500 240Gb Intel 530 240GB 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 3 128GB XSPC Raystorm XSPC EX240 XSPC EX240 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Koolance Compression Fittings Feser Silver Tubing Corsair SP120 High Performance x4 XSPC Dual 5.25" Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech MCP-655 Yate Loon 20mm Medium Speed x2 Windows 10 Pro LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS LG 23EA63V-P 23" Slim LED IPS Logitech G510 Rosewill Capstone 650-M 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian 350D Corsair Sabre RGB Corsair Vengeance MM600 Logitech Z623 
AudioOther
Corsair Gaming Void RGB Headset Z87 Gryphon Armor Kit 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4250U Intel NUC BOXD54250WYKH1 Intel HD5000 Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB DDR3L 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Crucial M500 mSATA Windows 7 Ultimate LG 50" LED 120Hz TV Logitech K400 
Mouse
Logitech K400 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
i7 4790k Delidded Gigabyte Z97-MX Gaming 5 Sapphire RX 480  
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill Ripjaws X 2133MHz 16GB(2x8) 1.5V Toshiba Q Series 128GB 2TB Seagate Green Sata III Samsung 4TB External 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Panasonic UJ-265 Slim 6X Blu-ray Writer DeepCool Gamer Storm Captain 240 CoolLaboratory Liquid Ultra SilenX Effizio Thermistor 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC X2O 420 XSPC EX240 Windows 10 Pro Sharp Aquos 60" 120Hz 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech K800 EVGA 850G2 SuperNova Fractal Design Node804 Logitech G602 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G240 Onkyo HT-S5300 XBOX One Controller 
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