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Hi guys,

Somebody with a RX480 in crossfire, have a difference with voltages ? Example the primary card have in load 1.22v and the second only 1.20v of course in a game with crossfire crash, because have the same clock speed, and the stable voltage its 1.22 in my case.-
I try with wattman, you can't only 1175v try with MSI Afterburner, Asus GPU Tweak II and Trixx all have the same problem the second card don't have the same VDDC of the primary, It's not a problem of temperature, VRM or power limit, because the Clocks are the same, the problem it's the secondary card don't have enough voltage and crash.-

Its a Driver Problem? In individual the two video cards can get 1.22v and the same clocks speed I tested.-
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Originally Posted by Echoa View Post

you want a lower but not too low and just hope to hit the silicon lottery is all xP

Yep that sums it up about right.
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Load up Trixx, theres the "nitro glow" button towards the bottom, you can adjust what color it shows, if it changes on fan speed, temp, rotating through rainbow, or off.

If you wanna do it manually open your case, there should be a small orange button on the front of the card near the rear of the case, click that a few times it will cycle through the colors and let you shut it off too.
Yeah I haven't done any OC or undervolting BECAUSE I want to keep my warranty in tact as long as I can. If the safe zone is up that high then I should be okay, that's only the max temp, the average is much much lower. (58C)

I'm almost certain I have nothing to worry about, but this is my first NEW card so I wanted to keep it from blowing up.
So my 88% ASIC is good? or not so good? As you mentioned, my card tends to run a bit hotter than my last one (I had my Sapphire HD 6950 OC'ed as far as it would go and w/ the fans at 90% it would stay around 70C, "stock" with this card (RX470 Nitro + 8Gb) and my fans at 70% MAX my card gets up to 76-78C at the most, average temps are around 70-75 which is the thermal target from my understanding. I just prefer lower temps than the 70s, which I'm sure I could achieve if I messed with my fan curve.

And oddly enough I went into my Fallout 4 INI and switched the HDR from 0 to 1 (both of them) and now my game runs smoother and I get better framerates. Isn't HDR supposed to REDUCE performance?

Thanks for the help guys, it's very appreciated!


That's an OK ASIc for air I guess. It would theorethically be better at mid 70% for air
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Yep that sums it up about right.
That's an OK ASIc for air I guess. It would theorethically be better at mid 70% for air

Yeah it's a bit confusing as to how to interpret that information. At least for me. I just happened to see that when I was clicking through the settings in GPUz and snapped a screenshot. Wasn't sure if it was a good thing or a bad thing haha.
    
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Yeah it's a bit confusing as to how to interpret that information. At least for me. I just happened to see that when I was clicking through the settings in GPUz and snapped a screenshot. Wasn't sure if it was a good thing or a bad thing haha.

ASIC quality is easy to misunderstand.

What it really means is how much leakage is experienced at stock clocks. A low leakage card has a high ASIC quality... and it usually means that less voltage is needed for stock clocks and less power is consumed.

However, this also means that the GPU is running in its optimal window already at stock settings. You would think that means you have more headroom... the GPU needs less voltage and puts out less heat at 1266Mhz, so you would expect that to be true at 1.3Ghz or higher. And, generally speaking, it is... however, these GPUs are actually just less heat sensitive, meaning adding more voltage will generate less extra heat... and additional cooling will have a reduced benefit.

My 69.6% ASIC Quality RX 480 can under-volt extremely well, but adding more voltage gets me almost nowhere for overclocking and ramps power consumption and head rapidly. Turning my fans up gets me more of a benefit... because my GPU is heat sensitive... if I can keep it at 75C, I can maintain 1375MHz at 1.2V... if I let it hit 80C at that speed it will crash at the same voltage. It's a prime candidate for higher voltage and water-cooling... neither of which I will do... probably.
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Umm, wait, this is something new. What is ASIC? "Card leakage", what? Please explain like I just came from 2003.
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High ASIC "Quality" (Leakage) = Lower operating voltage, larger current draw, hotter, less energy efficient (due higher losses)

Low ASIC "Quality" = Higher operating voltage, lower current draw, cooler, more energy efficient

Source:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1561372/hawaii-bios-editing-290-290x-295x2-390-390x
(What is "ASIC Quality"? > More info on LeakageID)

I've checked this w/ my 470's and it's true: the 70% is the best in low power consumption and the 79.3% is the worst.
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GAH hopefully this fixes my mouse cursor randomly turning into shadow lines. Never had an issue with my "dual screen" with my 6950, but as soon as I upgraded to my 470 nitro it started happening. Reboot fixes it but is still annoying if I have things downloading or I'm watching a stream. They're crushing it with these updates though, I think they fixed more in the last month for these new cards than they fixed in the previous year for any existing products haha. Go AMD!

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ASIC quality is easy to misunderstand.

What it really means is how much leakage is experienced at stock clocks. A low leakage card has a high ASIC quality... and it usually means that less voltage is needed for stock clocks and less power is consumed.

However, this also means that the GPU is running in its optimal window already at stock settings. You would think that means you have more headroom... the GPU needs less voltage and puts out less heat at 1266Mhz, so you would expect that to be true at 1.3Ghz or higher. And, generally speaking, it is... however, these GPUs are actually just less heat sensitive, meaning adding more voltage will generate less extra heat... and additional cooling will have a reduced benefit.

My 69.6% ASIC Quality RX 480 can under-volt extremely well, but adding more voltage gets me almost nowhere for overclocking and ramps power consumption and head rapidly. Turning my fans up gets me more of a benefit... because my GPU is heat sensitive... if I can keep it at 75C, I can maintain 1375MHz at 1.2V... if I let it hit 80C at that speed it will crash at the same voltage. It's a prime candidate for higher voltage and water-cooling... neither of which I will do... probably.

Ah so I DO NOT have a good Rx470 then at my 88.8%... Bummer.

I've been trying to read up on undervolting, because I heard the RX cards love it more than an overclock, will it lower power consumption and temps if done properly? Sapphire Rx470 Nitro+ OC 8Gb card for me.
    
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Well I Find the problem - It's related to the driver in CrossFireX - For some reason the secondary card it's detected by default with less voltage in every stage.-

If I put in automatic (Wattman) to control the voltage - with any software you up the voltage in % and for example in the Automatic mode (in wattman) the primary card have 1.150v and the second 1.100v and that's the problem, when I increase the % of voltage in any software for example MSI Afterburner Get a final voltage for example of 1.220v and the second card have 1.170v and that make me the crash.-

So the momentary solution I find was in MSI Afterburner, not sync the two video cards, and set independent the gpu core, mem and voltage, and no problem.-
Edited by GecKoTDF - 9/21/16 at 7:00pm
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I have two little sweeties in my system that replaced two HD6970 Reference cards. Needless to say, my system runs a lot cooler and quieter now.

These are MSI Radeon RX 480 Gaming X 8GB cards with the "Twin Frozer" cooler.



http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=309162







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