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LOL I said VRAM bro. I have 16GB of system memory, I'm aware of the 4GB addressable limit of 32 bit operating systems.

And yes, I'm very CPU limited in Fallout 4 (outdoors) because of its antiquated engine, that's why I wanted to know from Intel guys whether they saw gains. I get mad FPS indoors because there aren't a million objects, some which are occluded, being constantly called to the CPU for drawing. I was curious if anyone else is using high resolution textures, and what they were able to get for VRAM usage. It's hard to get Fallout 4 to use more than 2.5GB of VRAM.

haha, chill I was just mentioning that as a reference. You can use quite a bit of vram at 4k and higher resolutions, its hard to do at 1080p unless you're running really high resolution textures.
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Yes. Going from FX-8300 @ 4.6ghz to SB i5 2500k @ 4.4ghz was a huge upgrade for FO4 and similarly draw call limited games. With the same settings/GPU my minimum fps went from ~25 up to 40.

Someone else did actual testing...
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2182-fallout-4-cpu-benchmark-huge-performance-difference
I was using an AMD GPU, which is likely why my minimums were a bit lower. AMD GPUs tend to take a harder hit when you become CPU limited.

FX 8 core chips are good at some things, games in general is not one of those things. FX derived quads are pretty bad all around. Newer i3's with cheap $50 motherboards are really a better choice than an AMD quad if you are using a discrete GPU. Even considering the lack of overclocking.

Granted my FX has some clock speed on yours, I have no problem staying at 60fps in fallout 4 @ 1080p ultra settings. with a R9-290 @ 1300/1625. Fallout 4 loves memory speed as well. Most games take better advantage of FX cpu's, Fallout 4 and Starcraft 2 are probably prime examples of weak single thread performance compared to Intel in these games.
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Sorry to hear about your coil whine, does a "burn-in" do anything? I heard mutterings of a six or eight hour amperage sauna being good for whiny coils. I also remember hearing about thermal tape, but I didn't follow how it was to be applied or why. If you're in warranty, why not just give 'er the ol' "shorted cap" and be done with it?
Someone already suggested burn in. I've ran it Heaven on it for about 16 hours (sleep+time at work) consecutively on it, and I think it either helped a tiny bit, or I got used to it somewhat, but it didn't fix it completely.
No need to kill the card, we've got rather strict consumer protection laws. I can just return it, no questions asked, for up to 14 days after purchasing it. Afterwards you have to go through warranty claims and so on. I'm just morally uncomfortable with returning a working card, even if it's annoying the hell out of me.
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question for crossfire users...

sometimes i experience bsod's during driver install when the drivers go to enable crossfire and / or bsod's when disabling then re-enabling crossfire in radeon settings. it doesn't always happen for me, but i had one instance last month when i was updating to the new 16.9.2 drivers that i had four bsod's in a row when the drivers went to enable crossfire. right when it hit the part to auto enable crossfire... screen flashes black, then flashed a corrupted screen with weird diagonal lines, then flashed black, then corrupt again, and then finally a bsod from a tdr with atikmdag. finally the fifth time the drivers installed smoothly. i also noticed the occasional bsod if i disabled and then re-enabled crossfire in the radeon settings.

i pinpointed it on ulps causing the bsod's when enabling crossfire. i was able to pinpoint it primarily from the fact that i still received them after driver installation when disabling and then re-enabling crossfire in the settings panel. after disabling ulps via regedit the bsod's stop when doing so. i got the idea of disabling ulps from doing some googling finding posts from years ago of people enduring a similar problem and disabling ulps fixed their crossfire crashes.

the only downside is it doesn't work when installing new drivers.... ddu wipes the registry and even if it didn't it still wouldn't matter since the drivers re-enable ulps during the driver install... i figured whats happening is the drivers first enable ulps and then afterwards enables crossfire.

needless to say, every time i endure a bsod, i always wipe the drive and reinstall a fresh copy of windows to rule out issues caused by corruption from the bsod. and i always use ddu.

anyone else notice any bsod when enabling crossfire?
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Someone already suggested burn in. I've ran it Heaven on it for about 16 hours (sleep+time at work) consecutively on it, and I think it either helped a tiny bit, or I got used to it somewhat, but it didn't fix it completely.
No need to kill the card, we've got rather strict consumer protection laws. I can just return it, no questions asked, for up to 14 days after purchasing it. Afterwards you have to go through warranty claims and so on. I'm just morally uncomfortable with returning a working card, even if it's annoying the hell out of me.

What are you, Canadian? tongue.gif I was kidding about the "whoops i plugged it into a wall outlet" part. Or was I? I was. Swap it out! It's not like you're throwing away a golden chip. Let the manufacturer deal with their whiny coil. Why do they ship those in the first place; is it because people don't return them? rolleyes.gif
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haha, chill I was just mentioning that as a reference. You can use quite a bit of vram at 4k and higher resolutions, its hard to do at 1080p unless you're running really high resolution textures.
Granted my FX has some clock speed on yours, I have no problem staying at 60fps in fallout 4 @ 1080p ultra settings. with a R9-290 @ 1300/1625. Fallout 4 loves memory speed as well. Most games take better advantage of FX cpu's, Fallout 4 and Starcraft 2 are probably prime examples of weak single thread performance compared to Intel in these games.

Ultra... shadow distance? That's murder on my FPS outdoors. Shadow distance is set at medium and it still sucks pretty hard, into the 20s. Indoors I'm at 100 FPS.

I didn't mean to "bro" you, that was out of line wink.gif Yes, in fact I've loaded up about 15 GB of high-res textures into the game, most are 4K (4096x4096) compared to the stock 1K and 2K textures. When you've got 8GB of VRAM, what else do you do with it? The 480 ain't exactly a 4K chip...

That's a nice overclock, 5GHz. Have you ever run it through PassMark PerformaceTest? They have an impressive database of custom PCs. I'm curious because my single-threaded performance compares well to a 4.7GHz 9590, which is 3% faster. Regarding the memory controller, the tests show the A10's memory performance is 10% better overall, and remarkably in latency (which is horrible on these Construction cores), the A10 is 18% quicker.

What makes Fallout 4 particularly crappy is the way it handles calls to the CPU. Almost all games since DX10 batch them together for efficiency, but FO4 says nay, each object, shadow, etc. gets its own special request. What you end up with is a relay race involving a sumo wrestler (CPU) who walks his part, then passes the baton to Usain Bolt (GPU) who finishes the race. To make a long story longer, it's fundamentally a problem with the cache structure of the Bulldozer et al design, and how it ties to RAM. The latency piles up due to all the individual requests.

I've attached a chart. The 8150 is in red, the 9590 in blue, and the 5800K is in yellow.

Edited by invisiblegorill - 10/25/16 at 11:54pm
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What are you, Canadian? tongue.gif I was kidding about the "whoops i plugged it into a wall outlet" part. Or was I? I was. Swap it out! It's not like you're throwing away a golden chip. Let the manufacturer deal with their whiny coil. Why do they ship those in the first place; is it because people don't return them? rolleyes.gif
Eh, I lived in Denmark for a while, they're like our Canada, some of it must've rubbed off on me.
Anyway, I have the Gaming X currently, I also have Nitro+ and Strix available to me (XFX too, but for some reason it's overpriced by about 30€). Realistically speaking, if I were to exchange my card, out of those three cards which should I pick to have the least chance of encountering coil whine again? Does any of the manufactures have stricter QC or is it all down to luck?
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Eh, I lived in Denmark for a while, they're like our Canada, some of it must've rubbed off on me.
Anyway, I have the Gaming X currently, I also have Nitro+ and Strix available to me (XFX too, but for some reason it's overpriced by about 30€). Realistically speaking, if I were to exchange my card, out of those three cards which should I pick to have the least chance of encountering coil whine again? Does any of the manufactures have stricter QC or is it all down to luck?

We can form the Brotherhood of Lived in Denmark for a While! 5 years in Aalborg, what about you?
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We can form the Brotherhood of Lived in Denmark for a While! 5 years in Aalborg, what about you?
3 years in Copenhagen, starting in 2006. Going back for a visit in two weeks.
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3 years in Copenhagen, starting in 2006. Going back for a visit in two weeks.

Ah, Copenhagen is great smile.gif I suggest you never spend prolonged periods of time north of Aarhus. Danish rednecks are... weird people biggrin.gif
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I'm thinking about changing my RX 480 Red Devil for a MSI Gaming X. The only thing is, I read the Gaming X has bad Cooling for VRM (>95°C). VRM temps on my Red Devil are 80°C only. Is this ture?
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It's my understanding that it's fixed for games that support it. Not all games will scale though. Do a search and you'll find reviews on mGPU /Crossfire. Some are getting 80-90% scaling, a few are getting 45-60%, and some are seeing negative scaling. DX12 should make that easier for developers though (in that everything else is getting relatively harder).

Ok but what about screen tearing and stuttering? Because aside from the performance gains that is also as important and can help me decide whether it is worth it or not.
Also as a side note, what about freesync? Does it really help mitigate these effects? As I'd be playing @2560x1080 on an LG ultrawide which does support Freesync.
Edited by Sn4k3 - 10/26/16 at 6:11am
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