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The more i read about pascal , the more its just maxwell on speed and its only slightly tweaked for dx12 vs maxwell so for me i'm going to wait for either vega or volta (true dx12 arch hopefully from NV) , if vega is disappointing then i just keep waiting. I'd really like AMD this time, with NV you just get put out to pasture too quickly as their next gens come on.

They will need to work miracles though with Vega, simply doubling polaris will get them nowhere near where they need to be , they sorely need a clock rate increase too ... when pascal is put at maxwell clocks its a very poor result for IPC (adoredTV review on this is a good watch) , negative IPC gains from what i saw - clock rate is getting them there overall. If the best vega can do is match a 1080 then i'm afraid it won't be enough - i hope that's not the target.

 

Hence the Paxwell moniker they have earned at this point. 

 


 

Doubling Polaris would roughly get them to 1080 performance as has been seen with some 480 Xfire benching...and that is with very good scaling.  You are right that it wouldn't be enough, but we don't know a whole lot about Vega.

 


 

The 480 is already a slight improvement in clock speed over previous cards, depending on which ones you're comparing to.  The fact they are still on a derivative of GCN is somewhat amazing at this point...and the reason for lower clocks than Nvidia.  

 

If you compare the 480 to 270X, with a default around 1120, then the stock speed on the 480 stock is roughly (on average) where those cards peaked at for an OC.  

 

If you compare to the 380, which defaulted at under 1GHz, then the 480 looks even better as far as clock increase is concerned.  

 

The 290/390 could essentially never hit 1400 without extreme cooling...even 1300 was considered a fantastic piece of silicon and every 480 I've seen has surpassed 1300, hitting 1350 without qualms..and pushing past with a little effort.

 

Fury is in a similar boat...1200 core clock is a great GPU.

 


 

It seems this time around both companys pushed the silicon near the brink right out of the box.  Rumor has it that AMD needed to push the 480 harder than intended to compete with 1060...and maybe Nvidia did something similar to keep their slight performance edge...(just spit-balling here)??? :thinking:  Judging by poor overclocking respectively in both camps since the 1060/480 have roughly the same headroom when they are cooled appropriately.  For 1060 I'm referring to the 8% that TPU achieved on the MSI Gaming boost clock increase and 6% they got on the Palit. 

 

6% OC for 480 lands you right at the 1342 the Nitro runs at.  My card with water-cooled core is at 1410 11% OC.  The assumption is that most other AIBS are going to be in the 1340 range for their designated OC with minimal headroom thereafter...without 3rd party overclocking tool(s) anyhow.  The voltage limitations right now are quite ridiculous IMHO.

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With performance as the only metric, is there a common agreement on what the best model of the 480 is?
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With performance as the only metric, is there a common agreement on what the best model of the 480 is?

 

Only 2 available currently AFAIK are the Sapphire Nitro and the PowerColor Devil.  Their boost clocks are within ~10Mhz of each other so performance wise they are essentially identical.  

 

The PowerColor however has a huge cooler that runs at levels under load some cards achieve at idle.  If you have the room for it, don't mind black/red, and want super quiet..then the PowerColor is hard to beat. 

 

38 dB under load is pretty impressive:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_radeon_rx_480_red_devil_review,8.html

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Heavens been running for awhile now and in my detached garage it's about 75f. Vrms are sitting at 99c (maxed at 100c) gpu is at 65c (maxed at 66c). Fans at 2k rpm.



Just need a shim to get it all together.

Is it not possible to install the Twin Turbo without the shim or are you simply trying to get better heat dissipation?

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Only 2 available currently AFAIK are the Sapphire Nitro and the PowerColor Devil.  Their boost clocks are within ~10Mhz of each other so performance wise they are essentially identical.  

The PowerColor however has a huge cooler that runs at levels under load some cards achieve at idle.  If you have the room for it, don't mind black/red, and want super quiet..then the PowerColor is hard to beat. 

38 dB under load is pretty impressive:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_radeon_rx_480_red_devil_review,8.html

Id dance with the devil in the pale moonlight if I was going for a 480...just saying tongue.gif

You can always paint the shroud to fit your colors if it's an issue
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Doubling Polaris would roughly get them to 1080 performance as has been seen with some 480 Xfire benching...and that is with very good scaling.  You are right that it wouldn't be enough, but we don't know a whole lot about Vega.

Well i really hope thats not how it end up, if you double polaris to get ~ 1080 performance you get 460mm2 die, to equal a 330mm2 die from NV . That's far worse than the current matchup of 230mm die vs 200mm die of RX480 vs GTX1060 for ~ tied performance if you take all aspects into account. As much as i like AMD and want to buy Vega that would be epic failure territory.

Guess we will have to wait and see. At least vega might of had ~ 1yr if you take tapeout been a year of further uarch increases and learnings from polaris , i hope they found some nice gains per mm2 of die.
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Id dance with the devil in the pale moonlight if I was going for a 480...just saying tongue.gif

You can always paint the shroud to fit your colors if it's an issue

 

I would too if I wasn't a watercooling nut...too bad they didn't stick with the reference PCB I would have bought one just for better resale value.

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Well i really hope thats not how it end up, if you double polaris to get ~ 1080 performance you get 460mm2 die, to equal a 330mm2 die from NV . That's far worse than the current matchup of 230mm die vs 200mm die of RX480 vs GTX1060 for ~ tied performance if you take all aspects into account. As much as i like AMD and want to buy Vega that would be epic failure territory.

Guess we will have to wait and see. At least vega might of had ~ 1yr if you take tapeout been a year of further uarch increases and learnings from polaris , i hope they found some nice gains per mm2 of die.

I don't think it's just gonna be a Polaris x2, more like Fiji how it shouldn've been + a bit extra and with HBM2. I'm really interested to see how Vega turns out after seeing Polaris

Fiji got held back by die size limits and chopped down from what it should've been
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Well i really hope thats not how it end up, if you double polaris to get ~ 1080 performance you get 460mm2 die, to equal a 330mm2 die from NV . That's far worse than the current matchup of 230mm die vs 200mm die of RX480 vs GTX1060 for ~ tied performance if you take all aspects into account. As much as i like AMD and want to buy Vega that would be epic failure territory.

Guess we will have to wait and see. At least vega might of had ~ 1yr if you take tapeout been a year of further uarch increases and learnings from polaris , i hope they found some nice gains per mm2 of die.

 

I know there was talk of (2) different 14nm processes 14LPE and 14LPP...the 2nd rendition was supposed to yield better performance and efficiency.  If that information was true, I would imagine that Vega would be on that node. 

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/technology-solutions/leading-edge-technology/14-lpe-lpp

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I'm going for the best cooling = largest heatsink with the slowest and biggest fans at the lowest price possible. Nitro is a botched up card to me. 2xDP instead of 3xDP, don't need but WTH Sapphire. The cooler I do not like no matter how much SapphirePR tries to politically dance around the cooler.
Waiting for XFX or anyone else who may offer a cheap 480 with a decent cooling. I don't care for clocks, I would rather buy a unbinned card at reference speeds than a binned Sapphire with a premium price.
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