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The components on the PCB that surrounds them aren't tho. And these cards love low temps.

One thing I've noticed different between Gaming X and Nitro+ OC is that the latter randomly reports increased voltage on the core. I have it set to 1.05V, but after leaving hwinfo running overnight I found the maximum to be 1.15V one time and 1.238V the other. Doesn't seem to happen while in use, only when idling. I didn't notice anything of the like on the MSI card.

I get sketchy results with HWInfo. Millions of watts max reading.

I have had zero issues with the reference PCB having VRM temps up to 105c for extended times.

Third party designs likely are not rated as high, they all seem to skimp on the VRM.
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But for those who plan to use the 480 or 1060 at stock, no overclocking, which is how I would use the GPU I decide on in the next couple of months, which comes out on top. I also consider temps and fan noise, which tends to favour nvidia. I like the MSI varaints in this regard, amd or nvidia, but the contrast between the two is noticeable for me - not necessarliy important for most gamers I note.

Both 480 and 1060 make me nervous, different reasons mind. 480 - higher temps, higher fan speeds/noise, driver support (double edged sword, I know). 1060 - higher price, driver support (flip-side from amd), longevity (whatever form that may take).

Well that was my initial point - looking at stock 480 versus stock 1060 in 4 of the most recent biggest PC releases of the year (DOOM, Deus Ex, Battlefield 1 and the new COD), the 480 is faster, in some cases a lot faster than the 1060. So if you're buying in that price-bracket now or in the future, the 480 is the card to get. But obviously get a good custom card like the MSI or the 1342Mhz Nitro OC.
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Wow that's low temp. Dou you using open air case?

No normal case. Had 80°C on my Red Devil and now 62°C with my GTR.
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with 91,1 asic what can I make for higher oc?
how much have you oc?
I have limit 1440 MHz stable.
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My Nitro 470 works really well for me. The only thing that's bugging me is my high VRM1 temp, and the fact that I noticed it not running at full clock during games or benchmarking. Seems to clock back to 1169 (from 1260) for no apparent reason. Happens before the temps get up, and happens when they're high, doesn't seem to be related to any sort of thermal throttling, especially since the VRMs on the nitro cards are supposed to be good to 120C or higher. I think while I'm still under warranty (supposedly) I'll try to send it back for a replacement, and may pay the extra few bucks to get the 480 8gb card back instead.

Thoughts? Looking over my logs I highligted all relevant info and circled the areas where it downclocks. It's looking like I'm hitting the max draw at 130w? Is that what's happening? Something tells me at stock everything that shouldn't be happening.

Green Column is my GPU thermal probe temp
Orange Column is my GPU clock
Column to the left of the clock is the total GPU power draw
Orange TEXT is my Memory Clock
Grey Column is Utilization
Red Columns are VRM 1 temp on the left and VRM 2 temps on the right. I circled the "issue areas"


Just as I expected few pages back. If you want to tinker further with it, reset it to stock, +50% power limit, undervolt core and mem as far down as she goes, set states 3 to 7 to boost clock, check for throttles (there shouldn't be any), and OC from there, all states together, raise clock and voltage until she starts to throttle again.

It's AT stock. I haven't changed anything except my fan curve because the card would get way too hot leaving the stock curve on it. I'm not trying to mess with wattman yet because if my card is bad, I need to RMA it. I'm not tweaking any power states or anything in wattman JUST to get my card to run how it should at stock, if that's the case then I need to RMA it before its too late. I want a HEALTHY card to mess with if/when I tweak wattman. I can't afford to "just buy another card" I had to save up for a long time just to get this one.

So from what you guys are saying it's return time. I'll talk with sapphire support before I do that, but seems like that's the only option outside of tweaking the card.

I haven't and don't have any desire to overclock/tweak my card. It's brand new and it runs games at 60fps most of the time. If/when I decide I no longer need the warranty, sure I wanna push it to see how much I can get out of it, but that won't be for a while.
    
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It's AT stock. I haven't changed anything except my fan curve because the card would get way too hot leaving the stock curve on it. I'm not trying to mess with wattman yet because if my card is bad, I need to RMA it. I'm not tweaking any power states or anything in wattman JUST to get my card to run how it should at stock, if that's the case then I need to RMA it before its too late. I want a HEALTHY card to mess with if/when I tweak wattman. I can't afford to "just buy another card" I had to save up for a long time just to get this one.

So from what you guys are saying it's return time. I'll talk with sapphire support before I do that, but seems like that's the only option outside of tweaking the card.

I haven't and don't have any desire to overclock/tweak my card. It's brand new and it runs games at 60fps most of the time. If/when I decide I no longer need the warranty, sure I wanna push it to see how much I can get out of it, but that won't be for a while.

But your card is working as it is supposed on stock... 470 Nitro 8Gb is 1121Mhz card, that's the only guaranteed frequency, 1260 is occasional and if you want it to run at that freq, you have to tinker with it.
There is no card that you can get that will always run its boost clock out of the box.

Read this carefully:
http://sapphirenitro.sapphiretech.com/en/470-8.html#specifications
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It's AT stock. I haven't changed anything except my fan curve because the card would get way too hot leaving the stock curve on it. I'm not trying to mess with wattman yet because if my card is bad, I need to RMA it. I'm not tweaking any power states or anything in wattman JUST to get my card to run how it should at stock, if that's the case then I need to RMA it before its too late. I want a HEALTHY card to mess with if/when I tweak wattman. I can't afford to "just buy another card" I had to save up for a long time just to get this one.

So from what you guys are saying it's return time. I'll talk with sapphire support before I do that, but seems like that's the only option outside of tweaking the card.

I haven't and don't have any desire to overclock/tweak my card. It's brand new and it runs games at 60fps most of the time. If/when I decide I no longer need the warranty, sure I wanna push it to see how much I can get out of it, but that won't be for a while.

As has been said, 1260 is the boost clock, not the base clock. Boost clocks are not guaranteed at all.

The voltage on 3rd party cards is also usually way too high to start. That is why your voltage is 1150mv, AKA way too high. Same goes for the power limit. However, the card is operating as designed.

You can drop voltages by 50-100mv and it will boost to 1260 much more often, possibly 100% of the time in games. Or you could just crank the power limit and Overclock the snot out of it without upping voltage. 1150mv should be good for mid 1300's.
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Read this carefully:
http://sapphirenitro.sapphiretech.com/en/470-8.html#specifications

Just to reiterate...


1121 MHz Engine Base Clock
Up to 1260 MHz Engine Boost Clock

The reference RX 470 has the following clocks...

932 MHz Engine Clock
1216 MHz Boost Engine Clock
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Well I decided to break out my son's card and benchmark. This will be the last time I am able to run them.

These cover drivers 16.8.2-16.11.2(8 sets). The only thing I did was add +25 to the power limit, to maintain 1270 on the core. The stock voltage is 1.150v. This card will not be OC'd, in fact, I doubt that I will have him add the +25 to the PL. I don't think a 12-year-old needs to be messing in Wattman or Afterburner. biggrin.gif

For those that may have not seen my benchmarks before, I do them in the order as posted. I do each bench two times. If I have a crash at any point I restart the testing from the beginning. I'm glad to say that I had no crashes adn no memory errors. I use Afterburner only. Wattman gave me fits, so I quit using right after I got the card. Since my last posting of benchmarks, I have added the new Futuremark VRMark test. Both Orange and Blue rooms. They both require the card to hit 109.00FPS to be acceptable. I will say that even with my 970's in SLI, I don't hit that in the Blue room.

The VRMark tests are both done in Windowed mode by default.

The default resolutions are:
2264x1348 Orange
5120x2880 Blue

Settings:
Powercolor RX470@1270/1750@1.150v +25 Power Limit
i7-4770k@4.0ghz
1080p
144mhz monitor
V-sync Off

Powercolor Red Devil RX470 Benchmarks Drivers 16.8.2-16.11.2

Here are screenshots of HWiNFO64 for each set:

16.10.3 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

16.11.1 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

16.11.2 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Highest temp on the core was 69°C and 65°C on the VRM's. It seems that Valley/Heaven produced the highest temps. It also appeared to me that Firestrike used the highest wattage overall. The Max core voltage(Max 1.181/1.175) readings were when the card was running Time Spy. What's odd is that it was during the CPU test with no load on the card..

A few of us ran the UserBenchmark the other night. I had my 970's in at the time. Here are two runs of that test again on the RX470.

UserBenchmark 16.11.1

UserBenchmark 16.11.2

I also ran FRAPS Benchmark during Battlefield 1. I did DX11 and DX12:
2016-11-06 13:43:12 - bf1
Frames: 17941 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 99.672 - Min: 81 - Max: 141

2016-11-06 13:47:46 - bf1
Frames: 17762 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 98.678 - Min: 58 - Max: 146

2016-11-06 13:53:59 - bf1
Frames: 17729 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 98.494 - Min: 56 - Max: 137

I believe that last entry was DX12. My opinion, but DX12 seems to suck on this game. It doesn't do much better in DX12 on one of my 970's(No SLI profile yet).

My final thoughts before I pack the card back up and get it ready for Santa.

I'm only speaking of this particular card(Red Devil).

This card beat my expectations. At first I wasn't very happy with the performance. Of course, it was supposed to boost up to 1270. It will, briefly on stock settings. Adding +25 to power limit keeps this card at 1270 all day. The temps without a custom fan profile are acceptable. I think the highest fan % was 66. I can only hear the fans when it goes above 60%, and to hear it then I have to cut just about all my other fans down. thumb.gif

I did do some oc'ing on previous drivers. I think I could hit 1330 on the core. I can't remember what the Vram was. I think once I got above 1875 I saw diminished returns, as far as benchmarks went. I did try undervolting the core to 1100, it is stable at that(1270), but I actually saw my scores going down.

This card is 169.99 after the 15.00 rebate on Newegg right now. If I hadn't bought this card for my son's rig, I would have considered picking up another one and running CF. I know it has its own issues, but still.....340.00 is about what I paid for one 970 on release!

This card hits right where AMD wanted it to. For around 200.00 with a backplate it was a "great buy". At least as far as I'm concerned. thumbsupsmiley.png

If anyone has thoughts about the wattages or voltages in HWiNFO, point them out. I'm not new to overclocking, but am new to OC'ing AMD cards. I don't get all these readings on my nVidia card(s). biggrinsmiley.gif

Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to relay what my testing showed, and my thoughts on the card.
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It's AT stock. I haven't changed anything except my fan curve because the card would get way too hot leaving the stock curve on it. I'm not trying to mess with wattman yet because if my card is bad, I need to RMA it. I'm not tweaking any power states or anything in wattman JUST to get my card to run how it should at stock, if that's the case then I need to RMA it before its too late. I want a HEALTHY card to mess with if/when I tweak wattman. I can't afford to "just buy another card" I had to save up for a long time just to get this one.

So from what you guys are saying it's return time. I'll talk with sapphire support before I do that, but seems like that's the only option outside of tweaking the card.

I haven't and don't have any desire to overclock/tweak my card. It's brand new and it runs games at 60fps most of the time. If/when I decide I no longer need the warranty, sure I wanna push it to see how much I can get out of it, but that won't be for a while.

But your card is working as it is supposed on stock... 470 Nitro 8Gb is 1121Mhz card, that's the only guaranteed frequency, 1260 is occasional and if you want it to run at that freq, you have to tinker with it.
There is no card that you can get that will always run its boost clock out of the box.

Read this carefully:
http://sapphirenitro.sapphiretech.com/en/470-8.html#specifications

Ah you're right, I forgot about that. Read it the other day and went right back out of my head. Excuse my idiocracy.
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It's AT stock. I haven't changed anything except my fan curve because the card would get way too hot leaving the stock curve on it. I'm not trying to mess with wattman yet because if my card is bad, I need to RMA it. I'm not tweaking any power states or anything in wattman JUST to get my card to run how it should at stock, if that's the case then I need to RMA it before its too late. I want a HEALTHY card to mess with if/when I tweak wattman. I can't afford to "just buy another card" I had to save up for a long time just to get this one.

So from what you guys are saying it's return time. I'll talk with sapphire support before I do that, but seems like that's the only option outside of tweaking the card.

I haven't and don't have any desire to overclock/tweak my card. It's brand new and it runs games at 60fps most of the time. If/when I decide I no longer need the warranty, sure I wanna push it to see how much I can get out of it, but that won't be for a while.

As has been said, 1260 is the boost clock, not the base clock. Boost clocks are not guaranteed at all.

The voltage on 3rd party cards is also usually way too high to start. That is why your voltage is 1150mv, AKA way too high. Same goes for the power limit. However, the card is operating as designed.

You can drop voltages by 50-100mv and it will boost to 1260 much more often, possibly 100% of the time in games. Or you could just crank the power limit and Overclock the snot out of it without upping voltage. 1150mv should be good for mid 1300's.
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Read this carefully:
http://sapphirenitro.sapphiretech.com/en/470-8.html#specifications

Just to reiterate...


1121 MHz Engine Base Clock
Up to 1260 MHz Engine Boost Clock

The reference RX 470 has the following clocks...

932 MHz Engine Clock
1216 MHz Boost Engine Clock


Appreciate the input. I still have some learning to do I believe. Still dont' like the high as ***** VRM1 temps I get though lol.

Will LOWERING my voltages void my warranty? Never had a need/want to undervolt anything until now, I'd expect a lot better temps with less juice.
    
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First of all, lowering your voltage using something like WattTool won't do any damage to your card either way. The worst that will happen is your PC getting locked up and you having to reboot. A driver crash and restart is more likely though. Doesn't your 470 have a bios switch either way?

I forgot, have you tried measuring your air temps at the cards intake?
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