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@Witiko I's say overclock the cpu but I don't think you can on that since its not unlocked. That's probably where you'd see a big gain at its just a 2600 and not the 2600k?
It is indeed the locked variant. Not a huge deal to be honest. I just figured the GPU was holding the score back more than the CPU but it probably is just the slow stock frequency (3.4-3.8ghz).
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It is indeed the locked variant. Not a huge deal to be honest. I just figured the GPU was holding the score back more than the CPU but it probably is just the slow stock frequency (3.4-3.8ghz).

With a decent motherboard you should be able to lock it at turbo frequencies.
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Um... My ASUS and XFS cards are reference rx480. It's split between the 6pin and the slot Like all reference cards. Otherwise the symptoms wouldn't change when I go FFF000 rather than 000000 or DDD000 on the power split. The symptoms are better shifted to the pci express, fff000, than on the motherboard 000000. That's why I'm replacing the motherboard. (Also because I already swapped the powersupply.) I have not yet tested the problem in another motherboard. I could put the XFS card in the system upstairs and see what it does there I guess. Since either card operates at the correct voltage if they are the 2nd card in the system, I'd think that it's not the cards. I'm assuming that whatever burned on my motherboard 3 or 4 months ago when I overclocked my reference Sapphire rx480 to 1470 and ran 3dmark power virus on a loop is causing the issue, but I don't know. I'll put the xfs card in the system upstairs and see. It's an older system with a core 2 quad. Not really for gaming anymore, it's just for light office work, browsing and casual gaming. It's also possible that I've already done permanent damage to both cards. I hope not.

As for the VRM cooling-- I'm on a full cover water block on the ASUS card. For now, I'm on a reference cooler on the XFS card. The symptoms are much better on the water cooled card than on the XFS card. I run 10to 15mv higher than what I set on the ASUS card installed as first or if I run it by itself. I run up to 50mv higher on the XFS card if it by itself or first. Spikes go to about the same level but happen more often on the XFS card. This could be because the ASUS card has it's VRMs cooled to the 30s to maybe low 40s under high load, while the air cooled card goes to about 87 or 90.

I should say that even if I fold only on the 2nd card and leave the 1st card inactive, the 2nd card holds it's voltage better no mater which card is first or 2nd. Spikes are fewer and farther between and the cards run at the set voltage as the 2nd card.

I'm going to put the Sapphire Nitro card with it's 8pin first and have the XFS cards and ASUS cards next on the new board. Just in case. The Nitro, I think puts most of the phases on the 8pin.

My killowatt says shows my line voltage varying from 115 to 122. Not spikes, just a slow shift up and down. That's relatively normal, but 122 seems a bit on the high side. I live in a rural area and the electric co-op runs the transformer a little hot due to long cable runs to the houses. The outlet upstairs runs a little lower voltage than the one in my downstairs office. It'll be interesting to see if the XFS card does the same thing up there.

Ok now i know you are under water, are you sure you assembled the block corretcly?
Could it be you have some part of the vga touching the block?
So check the mounting to be sure. smile.gif
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Today I decide to change the AIO Water of the second RX 480, the Deep Cool Maelstrom 120k have a big problem design, if you have high temperatures 70/72° too much time the pump get noisy and finally after a few weeks don't work anymore.-
So I start to search and search which AIO Water I can put, the best performance per buck I could find was the Kraken X31 - Was AMAZING and a HUGE difference in performance, well first you can control the FAN with the same Kraken software, in my case I don't do that because I have the adapter for the PWM of the GPU - And because I don't have more onboard USB ports.-

The installation was the same, a few zip ties and that's all, I use the same fan and radiator location - My video cards have different temperatures, probably because the ASIC the first it's 10° less hotter than the second one, I use a custom bios to use the same voltage because from factory the first use 1.100v in stage 7 and the second use 1.050v in stage 7, and when you do overclock, the overclocking software don't see that difference and the second card have less final voltage .050 mv less and crash, so I decide to put the same voltage in the two video cards in all stages by bios, and problem solved.-

About the performance difference, with the same GPU Clock, Mem Clock and voltages, 75° vs 50° with the Kraken x31 - Really impressive - I am waiting to the next month and buy another Kraken X31 to change in the first GPU - It's a shame I don't discover this at the first time, this happen because I want to save a few bucks with the Maelstrom 120K piece of crap.-

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By the way the actual beta drivers 16.12.2 support custom bios? or you need to do aaaalll the history of patch the drivers?

Beware of the use of zipties, i know it can kill the gpu easly after a couple a week, i would have ordered the Kraken G10 along the X31.
Maybe the previous IAO was not touc hing the gpu in the righ way?
Edited by Wimpzilla - 12/28/16 at 12:20pm
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Beware of the use of zipties, i know it can kill the gpu easly after a couple a week, i would have ordered the Kraken G10 along the X31.
Maybe the previous IAO was not touc hing the gpu in the righ way?

Here it's not avaliable the G10 - No two Maelstrom 120K fail in the same way in two different cards, one I send to RMA and the second today go to the trash - It's just a piece of junk of AIO Water, the zip ties are very safe, you must always take care of the insulation of the GPU around because the AIO pump it's bigger so a little inclination to any side can touch some conductive part, but taking in mind that, it's effective - I use this type of "cooling system" by my own by years, the last video cards, two AMD 280 go with Corsair H60 for 2 years and sell it build it and still working - I decide this time go with the Maelstrom 120k to try something new, and was a piece of junk - The Corsair H60 here in my country it's very expensive, so I decide go to the Kraken X31 - Amazing performance, so if you are going to buy the G10, it's a good buy.-


About the modded bios and last driver - This last version you only install the driver, don't reboot apply patch, reboot, that's all very simple

https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-AMD-ATI-Pixel-Clock-Patcher
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With a decent motherboard you should be able to lock it at turbo frequencies.

if not he can modify the bios to add the turbo lock feature, I have the needed microcode for Haswell CPUs if anyone needs it
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Here it's not avaliable the G10 - No two Maelstrom 120K fail in the same way in two different cards, one I send to RMA and the second today go to the trash - It's just a piece of junk of AIO Water, the zip ties are very safe, you must always take care of the insulation of the GPU around because the AIO pump it's bigger so a little inclination to any side can touch some conductive part, but taking in mind that, it's effective - I use this type of "cooling system" by my own by years, the last video cards, two AMD 280 go with Corsair H60 for 2 years and sell it build it and still working - I decide this time go with the Maelstrom 120k to try something new, and was a piece of junk - The Corsair H60 here in my country it's very expensive, so I decide go to the Kraken X31 - Amazing performance, so if you are going to buy the G10, it's a good buy.-


About the modded bios and last driver - This last version you only install the driver, don't reboot apply patch, reboot, that's all very simple

https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-AMD-ATI-Pixel-Clock-Patcher

Np, i was just relaying the info i read about the zipties. If u know what you are doing, happy with that. smile.gif

For the old IAO do not thrash it, buy a small tank, and mod the tubes, fill it with deionized water + 20% antifreeze.
I'm pretty sure you will get nice performances back. Be sure to fill the rad correctly, removing all the trapped air.
Remember to unmount the punp for clean the fins, also clean the rad with some hot tap water and vinegar, or 20% vinegar overnight.
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Np, i was just relaying the info i read about the zipties. If u know what you are doing, happy with that. smile.gif

For the old IAO do not thrash it, buy a small tank, and mod the tubes, fill it with deionized water + 20% antifreeze.
I'm pretty sure you will get nice performances back. Be sure to fill the rad correctly, removing all the trapped air.
Remember to unmount the punm for clean the fins, also clean the rad with some hot tap water and vinegar, or 20% vinegar overnight.

I have 2 rads, by now, so probably one day buy a pump and reservoir and see if I can made something to experiment.-
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Watch this:

Core is in no way connected to the PCI-E power on this card.

T I had a reference Sapphire first. Ran great no problems until I leaked water on it. I'm getting a replacement as a Nitro in the next couple days. I have three cards already, I'm not going to buy a 4th. But it looks like a nice card. Can't run my water block on either the Strix you showed or the nitro.
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To greytoad: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





to Wimpzilla: As for the cooling, the thermal pads on the ASUS reference card have been changed 3 times. I even added paste between the vrms and the pad and the pad and the block. I dropped an extra 2 degrees, maybe because of that or maybe the EK block was put on slighly more tightly. I don't know. My GPU on stock doesn't get over 29 degrees. It's run for several months, but the spikes are getting worse. The XFS card is a reference card on the reference blower and only has 12 hours or so of use with no modifications. As both cards do the spikes I doubt it's the water cooler's fault.

I put the XFS in the system upstairs, and it appears it wasn't the motherboard causing it. It does the same thing up there, though the core runs closer to the set voltage. Here's what I'm seeing after 15 min of folding on the system upstairs with the XFS reference card:



The only difference on the ASUS card is it's both the VID and the VDDC that spike. On the XFS one it's the VDDC only that spikes. Though I was getting a solid 1.150 on the max value of VID until the spike and then I had a max value of 1.162. So it could be a polling interval not catching the spike on the VID.

So maybe I just got 2 lemon cards with flaky vrms? A HD6870 works fine in the computer upstairs. Whatever's wrong with the XFS card, it's the card. I'll still replace the motherboard, in case that's what broke my video cards. We'll see.

I should note that I have not put the 1000watt G3 in either system yet. When the problem first occurred on the ASUS card, I swapped the powersupplies between the upstairs and the downstairs computers, because I was getting a huge voltage sag on the 850 Silverstone, It seemed like a reasonable first step. I was sagging to 11.55 on the 12 volt. Just terrible sag but technically within ATX spec for sag. After swapping the powersupplies, I didn't get a sag on either. Brief sags on load to 11.85 on the one currently in my downstairs computer and 11.812 on the siverstone and then they go back up to 12.00. On idle both run 12.1 something. Pretty normal stuff but not fantastic. The 1000watt EVGA Supernova G3 is more so I can run 3 cards at this point and hasn't been installed yet but is supposed to have really quite stable 12 volt so I was hoping for an improvement in the sag department. I'm using the motherboard sensors and not a multi-meter.

The powersupply currently in my gaming system downstairs is a bit under powered for the load. It's only a 550 watt. That's the other reason why I run -20% on the power limit. Under load with both cards my system was using about 450 to 480 watts at the plug. Running power limit 0% would have been dangerous. It's fine for 1 card at even +100%. I ran 450 watt max system power with my Sapphire card at 1450 and 1.25v on my 850watt Siverstone powersupply. That was a high leakage ASIC at 82%. My current two reference cards are low leakage cards at 72% and they don't use quite as much power on stock settings even with higher voltage. It's obviously not safe to overclock with the 550 watt powersupply in there.
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Can you post a screen of gpu-z or even better with MSI AB of these spikes?
Then change the sample interval to the lowest.
So we can assume it is not a problem of the waterblock even i would had run everything again at stock.
But at this point just wait the new MB like you said.
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The pic above is with all settings at stock and on the stock cooler. The XFS card came with the 1288mhz oc in the firmware. It also runs 000000 by default for some reason rather than DDD000 like my other two reference cards. It's running a much older driver than the one on the Gaming PC. I'd tested the Sapphire card in that pc this fall, and I had the 16.9.1 driver already downloaded to that pc.

I took the water block off the ASUS card and ran it at stock on it's stock blower with HWINFO64 a few weeks ago. That pic is on my problem pc though. I could run the integrated video on that and retrieve it, but I think I'll wait for the motherboard. It spiked to about 1.3v on both the VID and the VDDC. Not quite as high or as quickly as the XFS card if I remember correctly. Which I may not.
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Can you post a screen of gpu-z or even better with MSI AB of these spikes?
Then change the sample interval to the lowest.
So we can assume it is not a problem of the waterblock even i would had run everything again at stock.
But at this point just wait the new MB like you said.
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