Originally Posted by looncraz
From my understanding the normal order NewEgg gets of these cards is 30, so they are simply selling very fast.
As for the GTX 1060, I'll address your points.
1. The cheapest 3GB version is the same price as the cheapest 4GB RX 480...
... The 3GB 1060 is cut down and that smaller capacity will already be a problem - even on 1080p.
... The 6GB model can be compared best with the 8GB RX 480, where prices are rather similar.
... I just paid $254 for an XFX RX 480 8GB GTR, for example, and the cheapest 1060 6GB I see is $269 + tax + shipping.
Here custom 1060 6GB $259, reference 480 about the same if ever available.
3. Plenty of custom versions of the RX 480 are available.
Where? In Taiwan? In USA? Mainland EU gets none for months even reference cards are almost none and only some shops had them but now not even those.
Custom cards non existent if even listed at retailers
NV is so much better in that regard, 1060 launched later but was much easier to acquire until now when everything (1060/480) pretty much went out of stock for both brands.
4. A little, yes, but nothing you would ever actually notice.
I do notice.
5. Yes, but not enough to really care about. 120W vs 150W is nothing at all... and quiet depends on the coolers.
... My soon to be sold R9 290 Gigabyte WF3 is nearly silent, my RX 480 is noticeably louder.
If they've put 290 coolers on 480 it would be adequate but they've mostly used coolers from something like a 270 instead which are not enough for the 14nm and 232mm2.
NITRO is loud as hell. And the rest of custom 480s don't seem to be doing much better and certainly aren't priced competitively at all.
6. RX 480 actually overclocks pretty easily by the same relative amount over stock in-game clocks.
... The normal in-game clocks on a stock RX 480 only hover around 1.2Ghz.
... The normal in-game clocks on a stock GTX 1060 is usually 1.84Ghz.
... The average overclock on the GTX 1060 is 2.05Ghz - about 11.5%
... The average overclock on the RX 480 is about 1.35Ghz - about 12.5%
... RX 480 scaling with memory frequency is insane. 2150Mhz memory largely erases the GTX 1060 performance lead.
... Max OC vs max OC, the RX 480 8GB has a very slight edge in most games.
Not that the GTX 1060 is a bad card - by no means is that the case - but it isn't a clearly better choice, either.
Depends on support in games. Older and current 1060 wins. Possible newer or more AMD optimized AMD wins. As always, but so far NV has bigger market share and most games are optimized for NV
No matter what API.
Seeing 480 Nitro at max speed being a big power hog is disappointing when around stock clocks the 1060 can use up to 50W less when comparing total system power. 480 OC gets nuts with power consumption toward being a 380x/280x power hog.
CF and SLI are irrelevant to me, don't care for either. The only proper multi chip GPU is if they try reducing costs by splitting the GPU into parts and using interposer to connect them and have easy scalability, but to so far they just cram it all into one die.
Most games in 2016 and 17 are still DX11 and if they are DX12 they are still conversions from DX11 or optimized for NV single threaded use. The only decent AMD titles so far are COD BO3 and Doom, that's it. Hitman is a botched up mess, Deus Ex supposedly being built on the same engine... not looking good so far.
The way games were optimized for single thread NV HW in DX11 they can be the same way in DX12 and Vulkan and many are that way.
Just because there is DX12 and Vulkan doesn't mean developers will suddenly all write AMD optimized engines and games...
Avoid NITRO versions, every review so far and user reviews too report terrible cooling and no wonder the cooler is awfully designed in terms of thermal performance, Sapphire doesn't care at all and their PR just sweeps it under carpet when ever that topic comes up, I just laugh and facepalm when hearing their replies first hand from them when asking them about the Nitro cooler performance. It's awful and they won't even admit it when it's all over the web since launch of the cards.
MSI has the same cooler as 1060 and probably the best so far. Still it's not overly powerful but good enough. Problem is MSI is overhyped and they've joined ASUS in insane pricing.
ASUS is bad IMHO when it comes to AMD cards, pricing is ridiculous, I would not buy another ASUS AMD card again.
AMD is way too slow in R&D compared to NV, pretty much NV refreshes their whole line up from low - main - high - ... end, where as AMD only does 33-50% of that, low - mainstream or highend, pretty much none in above highend. So when VEGA AMD high end comes NV will launch a completely whole new line up on Volta OR they will happily camp on Pascal for one more year because they will have no need to rush Volta since AMD will not be able to compete even with Pascal using it's Vega... I would say the second, they may spit out some HBM2 for profi use but beyond that just camp and cash in on Pascal when not being challenged at all.
1060s sell like hot cakes, 1070s even more
Meanwhile AMD can't even get custom 480s to shops for the few people who would consider buying them instead of 1060s
AMD is simply stabbing themselves in the foot. The few people who want to buy their products can't because AMD and it's AIBs won't supply them.