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 Valve is cracking down on third-party websites that use Steam to facilitate gambling, the company said in a statement today. Valve's announcement that it will begin sending cease-and-desist notices to such sites comes after weeks of controversy in the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive community surrounding several popular item-gambling services.
 
"Using the OpenID API and making the same web calls as Steam users to run a gambling business is not allowed by our API nor our user agreements," Valve's Erik Johnson said in a statement. "We are going to start sending notices to these sites requesting they cease operations through Steam, and further pursue the matter as necessary. Users should probably consider this information as they manage their in-game item inventory and trade activity."

 

 

Source: http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/13/12179462/valve-csgo-betting-sites-shut-down-steam

 

 

Seems like Valve is going to actually do something now that money is involved. I've liked Valve for a long time, but they really should have dealt with this sooner.

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Hahahahaha.... Gamblings bad mkay.. biggrin.gif
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Always only when they are found out they switch to damage control mode. Of course Valve knew perfectly well these things were happening.
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Always only when they are found out they switch to damage control mode. Of course Valve knew perfectly well these things were happening.

 

 

Yeah this seems to increasingly be their attitude. It's unfortunate. 

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Always only when they are found out they switch to damage control mode. Of course Valve knew perfectly well these things were happening.

Well duh. It wasn't actively harmful, no one was putting pressure on them, it was letting people have fun, and if Valve shut them down without reason they would be seen as an unreasonable bad guy.

See: Casino

Why bother to do anything? It isn't like they were breaking the law. Now there is more pressure to do something about it than there will be from those who use the sites.

Valve was screwed either way, they chose the way that got fewer people mad at them both times.

EDIT: Also they were never "found out". Betting revolving around massive world tournaments has been a thing for years, and everyone with even the slightest idea what CS:GO is knew about it. They just chose now to be mad.
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Well duh. It wasn't actively harmful, no one was putting pressure on them, it was letting people have fun, and if Valve shut them down without reason they would be seen as an unreasonable bad guy.

See: Casino

Why bother to do anything? It isn't like they were breaking the law. Now there is more pressure to do something about it than there will be from those who use the sites.

Valve was screwed either way, they chose the way that got fewer people mad at them both times.

EDIT: Also they were never "found out". Betting revolving around massive world tournaments has been a thing for years, and everyone with even the slightest idea what CS:GO is knew about it. They just chose now to be mad.

 

 

But the gambling sites were using Steam to facilitate trades, and were breaking Steam's own ToS by doing so. By all accounts it seems Valve just ignored it because it was giving their games attention and henceforth, making them money.

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Well duh. It wasn't actively harmful, no one was putting pressure on them, it was letting people have fun, and if Valve shut them down without reason they would be seen as an unreasonable bad guy.


See: Casino


Why bother to do anything? It isn't like they were breaking the law. Now there is more pressure to do something about it than there will be from those who use the sites.


Valve was screwed either way, they chose the way that got fewer people mad at them both times.


EDIT: Also they were never "found out". Betting revolving around massive world tournaments has been a thing for years, and everyone with even the slightest idea what CS:GO is knew about it. They just chose now to be mad.


But the gambling sites were using Steam to facilitate trades, and were breaking Steam's own ToS by doing so. By all accounts it seems Valve just ignored it because it was giving their games attention and henceforth, making them money.

Except why would you know about CS:GO trading without CS:GO? You wouldn't be watching and betting on tourneys without having an interest in the game anyway, there are enough other means of gambling and GO betting is fairly complex compared to, say, the track.

As I mentioned, if Valve shut them down before there was a large amount of support and pressure to do so, all they would to is make all the players who gamble mad. Even more so the ones who still have items on the bot's accounts; which they will loose unless the groups return everything manually. Now they have the support (or pressure, either way) to do so, even if it comes with "why wasn't it done sooner".
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Except why would you know about CS:GO trading without CS:GO? You wouldn't be watching and betting on tourneys without having an interest in the game anyway, there are enough other means of gambling and GO betting is fairly complex compared to, say, the track.

As I mentioned, if Valve shut them down before there was a large amount of support and pressure to do so, all they would to is make all the players who gamble mad. Even more so the ones who still have items on the bot's accounts; which they will loose unless the groups return everything manually. Now they have the support (or pressure, either way) to do so, even if it comes with "why wasn't it done sooner".

 

 

Again, it's not so much about the gambling, and more about Valve ignoring their own rules when it profits them. 

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But the gambling sites were using Steam to facilitate trades, and were breaking Steam's own ToS by doing so. By all accounts it seems Valve just ignored it because it was giving their games attention and henceforth, making them money.
thats the whole reason why they ignore it until it get too much heat. Now they have to switch damage control.

I am pretty sure those sites are here to stay, valve will probably shut down a few to shows that they actually "doing something".

But we know these sites will pop new one like mushroom. It is business as usual IMO.
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Except why would you know about CS:GO trading without CS:GO? You wouldn't be watching and betting on tourneys without having an interest in the game anyway, there are enough other means of gambling and GO betting is fairly complex compared to, say, the track.


As I mentioned, if Valve shut them down before there was a large amount of support and pressure to do so, all they would to is make all the players who gamble mad. Even more so the ones who still have items on the bot's accounts; which they will loose unless the groups return everything manually. Now they have the support (or pressure, either way) to do so, even if it comes with "why wasn't it done sooner".


Again, it's not so much about the gambling, and more about Valve ignoring their own rules when it profits them. 

That would be a reasonable person's point of view. Then again, MANY companies casually "ignore" things that strictly speaking break TOS. Even here we allow low-level political talk for example. Not liking a company because of that is fine, but this event is not mainly about that. All pressure is coming from "Ermergerd, my 8yo is gambling!!!".
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