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Not quite true.


Valve only profits from transactions done on the marketplace. All gambling via the sites is done via trading, in which Valve does not take a cut. Valve is not making profit off the gamblers, it only sets the price of the skins via community controlled marketplace.


No, but I'm sure they've indirectly profited off of it due to more people playing CS because they can win money for doing so.

I doubt that to an extreme degree.

You do not join CS because you want to gamble only, you can easily bet on horses instead. After all, to bet on games you need to know what's involved, means you need to understand the game, and the teams, which requires you to have an interest outside of gambling.

The one way Valve may profit is if someone cashed out an expensive skin for keys, and then gets a ton of cases from the marketplace to open.
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No, but I'm sure they've indirectly profited off of it due to more people playing CS because they can win money for doing so.

You don't even need to play CS to bet....

And that. Skins are a Steam item, not a CS:GO one. Just like trading cards.
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I doubt that to an extreme degree.

You do not join CS because you want to gamble only, you can easily bet on horses instead. After all, to bet on games you need to know what's involved, means you need to understand the game, and the teams, which requires you to have an interest outside of gambling.

The one way Valve may profit is if someone cashed out an expensive skin for keys, and then gets a ton of cases from the marketplace to open.
And that. Skins are a Steam item, not a CS:GO one. Just like trading cards.

 

 

Ok, but if you have a choice between multiple FPS games, all similar in gameplay, but one offers you the chance to win money, I'm sure some peoples' opinions were swayed by that fact.

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I don't understand this logic that many people have that gambling helped CS:GO popularity. It's correlation, not causation.
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I don't understand this logic that many people have that gambling helped CS:GO popularity. It's correlation, not causation.

 

 

I'm not saying it did or didn't, I'm just saying I that I see how it could've helped its popularity. 

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I don't understand this logic that many people have that gambling helped CS:GO popularity. It's correlation, not causation.


its just idiots who cant control themselves they know they can stop but they want it so they keep on going till they are broke and when they are broke they pull the this isn't my fault card but their fault so I am going to sue them so I can pay my bills and gamble at something else again. those idiot fruit punch
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I'm not saying it did or didn't, I'm just saying I that I see how it could've helped its popularity. 

I didn't mean to single you out, and I wasn't even talking about you in general, but to address your post I still don't see how these CSGO Diamond and CSGO Lotto sites bring people into the game... Skins yes, Skins are micro-transactions and people (including me) love spending money on them. It helped growth immensely. I can even see how CSGO Lounge, where you bet on which team wins grows the sport, the audience, and the player-base. But these slot machines? Current players are certainly attracted by chances to get "moar epic skins and dragon lores" but for an outside viewer? It's pretty meaningless. If people want to play slot machines they can go to a casino or one of the billion gambling sites, many of which btw, don't have high barriers of entry. Underage gambling isn't a CSGO problem. It's an Internet problem.
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its just idiots who cant control themselves they know they can stop but they want it so they keep on going till they are broke and when they are broke they pull the this isn't my fault card but their fault so I am going to sue them so I can pay my bills and gamble at something else again. those idiot fruit punch

Yeah agreed, but that's gambling in general pretty much everywhere.
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I don't see a problem with gambling, but I do see a problem with people paying someone under the table to lose a match on purpose. When it's a smaller group of 5 guys that don't make crazy big money, that's easier to manipulate than a team of 9 or 11 in sports.
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I don't see a problem with gambling, but I do see a problem with people paying someone under the table to lose a match on purpose. When it's a smaller group of 5 guys that don't make crazy big money, that's easier to manipulate than a team of 9 or 11 in sports.

That's a problem in every sport man. How about Tennis? Just takes one player. Or MMA, or Volleyball, etc. In StarCraft, there are underground, unregulated rings and there have been quite a few match-fixing scandals in eSports.

Honestly, I'd much rather Valve keep CSGO Lounge. Betting on matches should be regulated. That way we can actually track everything and see if someone cheated or not. By providing their "own" service instead of an underground one, Valve can investigate such matters easier.
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This is true, but this applies to more than just gambling. It's much harder nowadays for parents to monitor what their children do online. It would certainly be the ethical thing to do for large companies to try and help parents with the task, but if it doesn't make them money then it's very unlikely that it will happen.

It's hard to not give them money? Be a parent and don't give them money unless you know the reason they need it.
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After reading everyone's arguments here, from an outsiders perspective - I am more along the lines that valve knew about this but never did anything because they indirectly benefitted one way or another. The only reason they decided to do anything was simply do to being called out. That being said, it's no different from Nissan GTR's launch control debacle or more recently VW's emission cheats.
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