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Ashes of the singularity, DOOM, Hitman and The rise of the tomb raider all have asynchronous compute, all are games and have some actual value in the market, but people prefer to compare numbers into a synthethic benchmark which doesnt really show real world results

Gotcha. I didn't realize you were referencing one of those AMD vs Nvidia conflicts. Welcome.
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Wait so pascal can or can't do async?
People keep saying it can't, but this clearly shows it can, and pretty well even.
So is it games just not coded well for nvidia (for some mysterious reason amd another), or futuremark benchmark is lying?

Here is guru3d test:

So with async on, pascal is doing really well. Even maxwell still holds its own for now.
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Pascal/Maxwell do it at a driver level, AMD's equivalent cards do it at a hardware level thus show greater gains.
 
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Wait so pascal can or can't do async?
People keep saying it can't, but this clearly shows it can, and pretty well even.
So is it games just not coded well for nvidia (for some mysterious reason amd another), or futuremark benchmark is lying?

Here is guru3d test:

So with async on, pascal is doing really well. Even maxwell still holds its own for now.

It can, just not in a hardware fashion. It does it through software or something. I think it is the reason you see greater improvements with AMD than with Nvidia. If you look at the increase between async on and async off for each card instead of the total score you will see the differences.
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guru3d's chart is useless since it compares overall score...
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Ashes of the singularity, DOOM, Hitman and The rise of the tomb raider all have asynchronous compute, all are games and have some actual value in the market, but people prefer to compare numbers into a synthethic benchmark which doesnt really show real world results

Problem is that all of those games are coded to AMD async only, which is why they get a heads up.
We don't know what happens if those games also add async in full to nvidia. Maybe things won't be as AMD favouring as people keep claiming.
This benchmark actually shows that pascal can do async quite well overall. So if games enable async for nvidia, we might see those same 20-30% boosts AMD get, to nvidia as well.

Now the question is, why those games don't run async for nvidia in the first place, despite nvidia already released drivers for it.
Maybe AMD has something to do with it. And people claimed that gameworks is intentionally hurting AMD. So AMD doing to same, its ok?
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Nvm
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It can, just not in a hardware fashion. It does it through software or something. I think it is the reason you see greater improvements with AMD than with Nvidia. If you look at the increase between async on and async off for each card instead of the total score you will see the differences.

Problem is that you don't see any gains because its disabled in most games.
Add it to nvidia, even if its only 10-15% instead of 20-30%, it still a gain, no?
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Wait so pascal can or can't do async?
People keep saying it can't, but this clearly shows it can, and pretty well even.
So is it games just not coded well for nvidia (for some mysterious reason amd another), or futuremark benchmark is lying?

Here is guru3d test:

So with async on, pascal is doing really well. Even maxwell still holds its own for now.

it could be that the way it was implemented by the 3dmark team shows some sort of improvement in perf for nvidia. i wouldnt count on nvidias ability of "async" with pascal since 3dmark could be "sponsored" by them to show some kind of improvement. there are none other tests that prove pascal has proper hw async but only in 3dmark. i dont trust them. this whole benchmark doesnt seem to fit into the real game benches.
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Somehow I thought that 3DMark Advanced owners were supposed to get the whole Time Spy experience and now it's 5$/€? I mean, I just bought the Advanced licence from Steam sale because that is what the early articles said: buy it now to get the latest bells and whistles as soon as it launches rolleyes.gif

Well, gave the basic version a spin anyways. Here's a 290 running a 390 BIOS and clocked at 1110/1500MHz (GPU score 4199):

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/8475
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